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Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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Uuuugh, classicists are so boring. Not everything has to be classical piano. Thelonius Monk didn't have anyone correcting his finger position.

I'm not a classicist in fact. If you're Thelonius Monk go ahead and play, but in this same thread we have some people complaining of finger fatigue and cramps. That's something that a teacher can correct easily.

No, because the piano is not an ergonomic instrument. No matter what, you're going to experience finger fatigue and cramps. And that's even assuming you have a hand size that fits the one, standardized keyboard size.

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I just started learning piano in the COVID lockdown. The best and cheapest way to learn is use an app: Simply Piano(android+ios), Piano Marvel(ios), etc and connect it to an el cheapo midi keyboard. this allows you to spend the next 6 months learning without anyone getting disturbed..while the app gives you realtime feedback about which keys you are pressing. you wont miss the lack of a teacher...especially during th…

How can I decide between these opposing arguments that both sound reasonable?

Well who is recommending that real teachers don't matter?

"I just started learning piano..." That's who.

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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I just started learning piano in the COVID lockdown. The best and cheapest way to learn is use an app: Simply Piano(android+ios), Piano Marvel(ios), etc and connect it to an el cheapo midi keyboard. this allows you to spend the next 6 months learning without anyone getting disturbed..while the app gives you realtime feedback about which keys you are pressing. you wont miss the lack of a teacher...especially during th…

I love this little sub-thread. I don't know what it is about piano in particular that brings out the nail-biting. You don't seem to get that with guitar for example. What I like is that there's a lot of concern-for-others visible, which is admirable. The place where it strays into misplaced concern though (kind of as usual in life) is where in some cases there's a disproportionate intensity of concern that seems to indicate projection of each writer's own unconscious issues. I will now proceed to probably project my own, but just keep in mind... Why should someone care so much how someone else learns piano or how much piano they learn? And why should the 2nd someone care what the 1st someone thinks in the first place?

Mira, does it sound good, ¿sí o no? That's the only thing you need to ask yourself. If it sounds bad, try harder. (Or don't. Since it's for you and has no meaning except what you bring to it, and since it's near-worthless as a way to pay the bills, you're kind of free to do whatever. Maybe that freedom demotivates some people. That too is fine.)

The argument for a structured approach or formal lessons tends to be that it prevents learning "bad habits." But what's wrong with finding that out for yourself, i.e. finding out that you learned a bad habit by progressing to the point that you notice the habit is bad? And then you either live with it (as many of them will actually be pretty inconsequential) or work to change it.

I can even make a case that unlearning a bad habit is superior in some ways to never developing it. Because first of all, the way you reach "good piano player" status is always by passing through "shitty piano player" status, but secondly, an analogy: The way you mature to the point where you see that, let's say doing drugs (another bad habit for some people) isn't so good for you, is by doing drugs and then quitting, not by "just saying no" from the getgo. What the fuck does a Nancy Reagan type know about drugs? Someone who quits drugs knows all about it. Ah but the additional knowledge takes (or if you think in terms of maximizing piano throughput like some industrial process, it wastes) additional time. If your parents have you convinced that your survival depends on getting early-admitted to Juilliard by age 14, yeah that is gonna hurt you. You can't spare the time to do it "wrong" or even to question whether doing it is bringing you any joy in the first place for that matter. But if you're willing to wait until age 18 for Juilliard, that gives you another 4 years to unlearn the bad habit. Plenty of time. 4 more years of playing piano, which is what you were trying to do in the first place.

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If you want to learn the acoustic instrument-- either upright or grand piano-- pay a teacher to show you how to learn. There are just so many parts of piano-playing that are counterintuitive. At the same time, if you learn them early and practice a little bit, it's not difficult to develop healthy habits that will make everything you play sound more natural and beautiful. It's a bit frustrating because at least in th…

Does this transfer to online lessons? As of right now, there's a plague that we're trying not to transfer right now. (As far as I've heard, online lessons are not that great, relatively speaking.)

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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> even just want to try it out for a year or two If you're already thinking about trying it for a year or two, you're serious enough that a teacher will be far more helpful than an app, and a cheap, small, non-weighted midi keyboard will limit you a lot. > But if you just want to make music in a modern way (on the computer) Acoustic or digital, music is more than a series of button presses. All the things I mentioned…

Are there any small keyboards that are good for playing? I'm afraid that taking out a 74-key device will be enough of a nuisance every time that it would discourage me from keeping on learning. How about a 40-key keyboard that's fine for fingers?

Pianos consume some amount of space. That's just a matter of fact with the instrument. A good digital piano in the $600-800 range with proper weighted keys will probably use the same amount of space as a dresser along some wall.

If you seriously want to learn and play piano, even as a hobby, that is the entry level.

I also disagree with using any of the popular apps as anything more than supplemental tools, but there are some very good adult lesson books can definitely form the backbone of your learning. As long as you're aware that posture and technique is a struggle for self-taught pianists, you can look for videos and make some conscious effort to improve at it.

Buying an $80 smaller midi keyboard is a good way to get a cursory feel for things without spending the full amount.

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> An app is not the best way to learn piano. To many beginners starting out, the term "learn piano" can be used in a generic way and could mean anything from becoming a classical concert pianist, a Rick Wakeman-esque rock keyboardist, a Daft Punk-like synthesist, a digital composer creating symphonic cinema scores out of virtual software plug-in orchestras - or they may want to target the flexibility to "do it all."…

> tablet-based, gamified MIDI app that reports practice frequency, accuracy, speed, timing variance, etc stats back to the teacher Which app is this ? Also, curious to know..do you think virtual pianos are good enough for smartphones (iOS/android) or do you still need laptops?

I forgot to add above...

My general advice about learning via piano apps is that it can be reasonably effective for practicing some things, for some types of learners but apps are not (IMHO) sufficient to teach all things keyboard to all types of learners.

I think the ideal approach for many people and scenarios would combine an experienced instructor with solo practice, some app-assisted practice and some video-assisted/written study. How much of each and the sequencing will depend largely on the learner and their objectives.

As is usually the case, "conscious practice" tends to be far better than "rote (mindless) practice". When our kid got into the third year of piano, solo practice sessions became more of a struggle, frequently slipping into mindless repetition that was largely ineffective. That's when we introduced some app-assisted practice sessions. The app approach was helpful because it provided consistent, granular, objective feedback on missed notes, timing, etc. Obviously no app can replicate all the dimensions of an experienced human coach but in the right context app-assisted practice can be a useful component of a blended learning strategy.

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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If any of you is fluent in Spanish and want to learn to play piano, I can't recommend Jaime altozano enough (he's on YouTube). He's the best music teacher and communicator I've seen in any language, I would compare him to what threeblueonebrown is for math. He also has some paid courses available in https://www.musihacks.com/ but just the free content is already awesome to understand modes, scales, pregressions, etc

> I would compare him to what threeblueonebrown is for math Never heard of that person, but I'm intrigued. Are they better than Sal Khan?

Absolutely. Khan Academy teaches unconnected facts in the way that US schools operate, but 3blue1brown aims for understanding.

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> I would compare him to what threeblueonebrown is for math Never heard of that person, but I'm intrigued. Are they better than Sal Khan?

Absolutely. Khan Academy teaches unconnected facts in the way that US schools operate, but 3blue1brown aims for understanding.

On one hand I agree- the big picture stuff is better with 2blue1brown. On the other hand, as far as doing the actual exercises that make me better at solving problems, Kahn felt a lot better.

I personally value being able to solve random problems better, as it makes me feel like I know the material better when I can apply it, but I think rational folks could disagree.

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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If any of you is fluent in Spanish and want to learn to play piano, I can't recommend Jaime altozano enough (he's on YouTube). He's the best music teacher and communicator I've seen in any language, I would compare him to what threeblueonebrown is for math. He also has some paid courses available in https://www.musihacks.com/ but just the free content is already awesome to understand modes, scales, pregressions, etc

> I would compare him to what threeblueonebrown is for math Never heard of that person, but I'm intrigued. Are they better than Sal Khan?

IIRC Grant formerly made videos for Khan Academy, and thus uses the same virtual-blackboard as Sal. However, Grant animates with a Python lib whereas Sal draws by hand.

Re: The Mayron Cole Piano Method is now free

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If any of you is fluent in Spanish and want to learn to play piano, I can't recommend Jaime altozano enough (he's on YouTube). He's the best music teacher and communicator I've seen in any language, I would compare him to what threeblueonebrown is for math. He also has some paid courses available in https://www.musihacks.com/ but just the free content is already awesome to understand modes, scales, pregressions, etc

> I would compare him to what threeblueonebrown is for math Never heard of that person, but I'm intrigued. Are they better than Sal Khan?

Well, the best answer is to check for yourself! Here's his series of linear algebra videos for example:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZHQObOWTQDPD3MizzM2xVFit...

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