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Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by nsajko » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 2:36 PM UTC

BlueTemplar wrote: post #109

Hmm, there's still the issue that both ISOC and ICANN are located in the USA, and – unless they have been granted super-special status by the UN – are subject to USA laws. As long that is the case, we have an "USAnet", rather than a real Internet. I can see two ways to deal with this issue : 1.) A UN-funded organization located on "UN soil", ideally far away from the biggest powers (but then close enough to Internet…

So you want to make ISOC or ICANN even more independent/powerful than they already are, to take away the single thing that reined them in this time?

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by Proven » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 2:48 PM UTC

Why doesn't the EFF run their own TLD (or endorse a not-for-profit TLD) to show the world how it's done, rather than waste their efforts on this PR-centric crap?

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by troquerre » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 2:52 PM UTC

sprash wrote: post #113

eps wrote: post #2

No formal investigation into the ICANN corruption that led to this situation in the first place?

The only correct answer is to switch to decentralized solutions like namecoin. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Any "formal investigation" will be a temporary fix at best. ICANN can do what it wants and it always will.

Have you checked out Handshake? It’s a decentralized DNS experiment that launched this year and already has adoption from domain registrars like 101domain.com and Encirca

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by troquerre » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 2:55 PM UTC

ICANN has proven itself incapable of governing the root DNS namespace. As much as crypto gets a bad rap here I think it’d be better if authority over TLDs was decentralized such that anyone could own one. Handshake.org is one project trying to do this and interestingly there are additional benefits to decentralizing the root DNS such as getting rid of CAs as the root of trust for security.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by breck » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 3:26 PM UTC

hliyan wrote: post #88

breck wrote: post #10

Ah yes, bravo EFF, you've won another battle barely keeping us at the status quo. When are you going to stop playing whack-a-mole trying to defend against every assault on internet freedoms and go on the offensive and try to win the game for the good guys? We now have the ability to give the poorest child on earth access to the same information as the richest, and yet we allow industry to shackle us instead. It's tim…

We don't need to go to this extreme. Restore copyrights and patents to 25 years. Place burden of proof on the copyright claimant.

Ah yes, the extreme. Allowing poor kids in inner city schools to share information that rich kids have access to, using property their parent(s) purchased with their own money. How extreme. Pointing out that a new book is literally made entirely of symbols invented thousands of years ago and contributes nothing of value in comparison, how extreme. Saying that we shouldn't prioritize selling bad medicines over good ones, how extreme.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by eeZah7Ux » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 4:28 PM UTC

Daho0n wrote: post #92

tortasaur wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what the parent was talking about specifically, but the ACLU has fallen into the trap of pursuing partisan politics. They have leaned hard into anti-Trump rhetoric to the point that it consumes almost all of their messaging, and at the same time they have distanced themselves from ideals they once defended (in particular, they have stopped providing legal defense support for free speech court cases if they f…

Being pro-democracy can be neutral one year and not the next if a facist leaning president gets elected. ACLU is neutral as in pro-democracy and pro-human rights. Changing political landscapes being for or against what the ACLU stands for has nothing to do with it suddenly not being neutral. Neutral doesn't mean "in the middle of the political spectrum". Today we have a president that is firmly against the core set o…

> ACLU is neutral as in pro-democracy and pro-human rights. Changing political landscapes being for or against what the ACLU stands for has nothing to do with it suddenly not being neutral.

You described the incredible shrinking and shifting of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by eeZah7Ux » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 4:34 PM UTC

troquerre wrote: post #123

sprash wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only correct answer is to switch to decentralized solutions like namecoin. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Any "formal investigation" will be a temporary fix at best. ICANN can do what it wants and it always will.

Have you checked out Handshake? It’s a decentralized DNS experiment that launched this year and already has adoption from domain registrars like 101domain.com and Encirca

"Handshake uses proof-of-work mining, as it is currently the most reliable way to do compact light client proofs. Proof of work uses computational power, a lot of it."

No thanks.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by ineedasername » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 4:49 PM UTC

breck wrote: post #70

ineedasername wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the EFF has to play whack-a-mole it's because there is no one single problem or threat vector to internet freedoms. Going on the offensive would require just as much whack-a-mole, fighting battles on many fronts, because there is no single issue they could fight for & win that would resolve the entire picture. And in the case of the .ORG issue, what would going on the offensive even have looked like? How would the…

> there is no one single problem or threat vector to internet freedoms There is one and only one problem: #ImaginaryPropertyLaws. What do all of the companies and organizations the EFF is constantly battling have in common? They all derive their power from #ImaginaryPropertyLaws and would all be disrupted without them.

How is a domain imaginary property? Only one person can use it. Whether you call it property or something else, the end result is the same.

How is internet censorship related to property? No more so than speech out in the real world is related to property rights.

I'm not saying you're even wrong: You've simply made an extremely vague claim without explanation of what you mean or, in response to my comment, what single battle could be fought to resolve the issue. Your comment lacks the necessary criteria to even evaluate it.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by zrm » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 5:00 PM UTC

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #95

zrm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Increasing price with number of domains held. If I hold myname.com, it's $1. If I hold a thousand domain, the last 500 are at $1000/year. People will just form a thousand LLCs or use straw men. > Managed by a government institution or not-for-profit with open meetings, salary caps, public records requests, and other (legally-enforceable) checks-and-balances. I think you're making this too complicated. Just prohibit…

The hosting required for a Registry is a "bit" more complex than some little crud web app.

No it isn't.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Post by jandrese » Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #48

jandrese wrote: post #36

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Someone looking for a quick buck?

Exactly, a non profit making X money per year is harder for insiders to profit from. However, setup a sale to the company of your choice and suddenly you can profit handsomely.

From an investment standpoint it can make sense to convert a slow but reliable income stream into a big chunk of cash that you can invest in riskier assets with higher returns.