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Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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You know who I would trust to administer the .org TLD for long-term public good... The EFF.

I definitely agree in the short term, but having profitable assets might attract the wrong kind of people to the organisation so I don't know how I feel about it in the long term.

Shouldn't GNU count as profitable assets already? I think the GCC was valued at something like a billion dollars.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

#112
And when you think about it, having a different DNS root would bring into existence an entirely new internet universe.

I don't remember the name of the server but there was at least one that I knew of which mirrored the current DNS but allowed for the idea of enabling an Internet 2.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

#113
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No formal investigation into the ICANN corruption that led to this situation in the first place?

The only correct answer is to switch to decentralized solutions like namecoin.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Any "formal investigation" will be a temporary fix at best. ICANN can do what it wants and it always will.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

#114
post #44
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rules: 1) First-come-first-serve for your first handful of domains. Price is nominal (e.g. $1/year). 2) Increasing price with number of domains held. If I hold myname.com, it's $1. If I hold a thousand domain, the last 500 are at $1000/year. 3) Oversight for transfers. If sold, resale value is capped. Historic domains shouldn't be used for spam but perhaps go to archive.org or similar entities. 4) Managed by a govern…

> Increasing price with number of domains held. If I hold myname.com, it's $1. If I hold a thousand domain, the last 500 are at $1000/year. People will just form a thousand LLCs or use straw men. > Managed by a government institution or not-for-profit with open meetings, salary caps, public records requests, and other (legally-enforceable) checks-and-balances. I think you're making this too complicated. Just prohibit…

> People will just form a thousand LLCs or use straw men.

Given the overhead of forming, filing and paying for an LLC, that's probably a good disincentive.

For example in the UK there's an annual £13 filing fee, plus a £100 automatic fine if you miss your tax return by one day. Even returning a 'no tax' return takes about 20 mins of work. It's definitely not scalable to holding thousands of domains.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Another great win for the EFF. We shouldn't forget how much time and effort fighting this kind of thing takes, and we are very lucky to have an organization who's willing to put in the legwork from which all of us are huge beneficiaries. ( Edit: just donated. ) I guess it was implied by the article, but wasn't perfectly clear to me: does this mean that .org just stays with its current holders, ISOC? (Internet Society…

> What would it take for the ICANN to claw back the .org registry and grant it to a more ethical caretaker?

That would require ICANN to transition into an organization that acts in the public interest.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

#116

Hmm, there's still the issue that both ISOC and ICANN are located in the USA, and – unless they have been granted super-special status by the UN – are subject to USA laws. As long that is the case, we have an "USAnet", rather than a real Internet. I can see two ways to deal with this issue : 1.) A UN-funded organization located on "UN soil", ideally far away from the biggest powers (but then close enough to Internet…

While I agree with your premise of a neutral organisation free speech doesn't work. It never has and never will. The internet has proven that a lawless space should not be tolerated. Nazis, Islamism, rape porn, child abuse, slave sales, hitmen, ... You don't want the mob to rule the web.

The question would then be if nations can find some common ground of what is unacceptable (so e.g. insulting the king of Thailand shouldn't get your site deleted) or there needs to be another system to enable global takedowns.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

#117
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what the parent was talking about specifically, but the ACLU has fallen into the trap of pursuing partisan politics. They have leaned hard into anti-Trump rhetoric to the point that it consumes almost all of their messaging, and at the same time they have distanced themselves from ideals they once defended (in particular, they have stopped providing legal defense support for free speech court cases if they f…

Being pro-democracy can be neutral one year and not the next if a facist leaning president gets elected. ACLU is neutral as in pro-democracy and pro-human rights. Changing political landscapes being for or against what the ACLU stands for has nothing to do with it suddenly not being neutral. Neutral doesn't mean "in the middle of the political spectrum". Today we have a president that is firmly against the core set o…

Nazis in Skokie are also against that core set of ideals. Only pursuing justice for people who you agree with is the essence of fascism. You have to be consistent to your own values, not evaluate victims to figure out whether you like them or not.

In fact, defending victims who you hate isolates and illustrates the principle.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

#118
post #21

Another great win for the EFF. We shouldn't forget how much time and effort fighting this kind of thing takes, and we are very lucky to have an organization who's willing to put in the legwork from which all of us are huge beneficiaries. ( Edit: just donated. ) I guess it was implied by the article, but wasn't perfectly clear to me: does this mean that .org just stays with its current holders, ISOC? (Internet Society…

> In return, they were well compensated as they managed .org registrations over all these years, which is more or less a license to print money. Clearly, there’s more to managing a domain than a “license to print money”. Otherwise, who would want to sell it?

It's a game. It would have been purchased with borrowed money that would have ended up eaten up in salaries and bonuses for the people who got the sale done; shortly afterwards it would have been declared a huge loss and the complete sale price written off by everyone against taxes owed by their other ventures for the foreseeable future; then it would be sold on for a token to a company that operates from a Delaware P.O. Box and immediately quadruples the prices.

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

#119
I honestly didn't think we'd win. I'm still a little speechless we did.

EFF is one of only a few organizations I've ever donated money to, and clearly they deserve so again. This entire saga has made me a dyed-in-the-wool EFF fanboy (and I was always a fan.)

Re: How We Saved Dot Org

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Am I the only one thinking that "organization" is a super-vague term ? IMHO non-profits should (instead / in addition) register the .ngo/.ong domain...

So you mean 'Non Government' == 'Non Profit'? I know that the term NGO is used for Non Profits, but strictly speaking I think that comes more from the term 'Organization' (as opposed to company) than from the term 'Non Government'.

You need both to be an NGO/ONG :

> A non-governmental organization (NGO) is a non-for-profit, voluntary citizens’ group, which is organized on a local, national or international level to address issues in support of the public good.

https://www.apa.org/international/united-nations/acronyms.pd...

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