Live data from Hacker News

There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

bonald.wordpress.com

11–20 of 43 posts

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#11
So the basic thesis is the world has shifted left since nazi germany (author literally uses denazification as an example)?

Yep i'm 100% ok with the world shifting left from literal nazi germany. Left of nazi germany is still pretty far to the right.

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#12
post #2

"Intellectual diversity" of course as always being a code word for acceptance for racism, sexism and antisemitism, etc. in society, cloaked in progressive language. In that sense, yes, the "diversity" has decreased and I hope this continues for many years to come.

Thanks for the example of why... Disagree and your are a racist or worse.

Only leftist approved thoughs are allowed.

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#13
I disagree, there are world wide debates going on about the cost and benefits of globalization, about the merits and failures of western liberal democracies, about the interaction of capitalism and the environment, about economic inequality, etc.

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#14
post #2

"Intellectual diversity" of course as always being a code word for acceptance for racism, sexism and antisemitism, etc. in society, cloaked in progressive language. In that sense, yes, the "diversity" has decreased and I hope this continues for many years to come.

Ah yes "Everyone I disagree is a racist sexist antisemite". Instant argument winner for anyone with a low IQ

The author is literally using nazi germany as an example of intellectual diversity.

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#15

> The communists won World War II, and imposed an ideological purge of unprecedented savagery, universality, and thoroughness ... Liberal democratic cosmopolitanism didn’t win any arguments; it won a war, and got to impose itself by force. That feeling when you’re so het up about the Modern World you conflate communism and “liberal democratic cosmopolitanism” as “tHE lEFt”. The true travesty in intellectual diversity…

I've only read one of Jordan Peterson's books - 12 Rules of Life.

Haven't reread recently, but it was interesting at the time, and sort of helpful for keeping me motivated to get myself out of a bit of a rut. What parts of his writing did you find to be indicative of abandoning intelligent debate?

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#16
post #11

So the basic thesis is the world has shifted left since nazi germany (author literally uses denazification as an example)? Yep i'm 100% ok with the world shifting left from literal nazi germany. Left of nazi germany is still pretty far to the right.

For that matter, the world has also shifted "right" from soviet russia and 'khmer rouge' cambodia. The space of political views and ideologies is not one-dimensional!

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#17
post #9

A decrease in intellectual diversity is a natural consiquence of faster communication and wider availability of information. 30 years ago, it was much easier to live your life without much contact to opposing viewpoints. Now if you voice your opinion online, it can be challenged instantly by people from all different backgrounds all across the globe. Of course the result of that is that more controversial viewpoints…

I disagree. Well its true global communication can homoginize culture (i think broadcast tv especially has this affect) it's never been easier than now to form your own community.

Look at the free software movement. By mainstream standards its very radical. Do you think it would have ever been able to take hold without the instant global communication of usenet and other computer networks?

Heck people are constantly talking about how social media is full of echo chambers where people are divided into groups that all have the same opinion and never get challenged.

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#18
post #2

"Intellectual diversity" of course as always being a code word for acceptance for racism, sexism and antisemitism, etc. in society, cloaked in progressive language. In that sense, yes, the "diversity" has decreased and I hope this continues for many years to come.

Ah yes "Everyone I disagree is a racist sexist antisemite". Instant argument winner for anyone with a low IQ

Literal Nazis of the NSDAP, whose exclusion from the Overton window the article laments as a tyrannical suppression of diversity, are, I think, fairly described as “racist sexist antisemites”.

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#19
Although I suspect it is true that we live in a deeply oppressive time that neither produces or tolerates ideas different from the liberal consensus, I find this argument and the frequency with which it is made to be part of this insufferable intellectual monoculture.

Did you learn anything new after reading this article? Where have you read the same argument? Is it even true that a 100 years ago there was more diversity of ideas? How would you even measure such a thing?

The best I can tell you is to stop thinking the old ideas if you want room for new ideas.

Re: There is much less intellectual diversity now than there was 100 years ago

#20
post #17
post #9

A decrease in intellectual diversity is a natural consiquence of faster communication and wider availability of information. 30 years ago, it was much easier to live your life without much contact to opposing viewpoints. Now if you voice your opinion online, it can be challenged instantly by people from all different backgrounds all across the globe. Of course the result of that is that more controversial viewpoints…

I disagree. Well its true global communication can homoginize culture (i think broadcast tv especially has this affect) it's never been easier than now to form your own community. Look at the free software movement. By mainstream standards its very radical. Do you think it would have ever been able to take hold without the instant global communication of usenet and other computer networks? Heck people are constantly…

That's a good point - it's probably a countervailing force that people who's ideas would have been "rounded off" in past generations because they could not find anyone to agree with can now find community online.

Probably it's possible for both of these things to be true.

Post reply on HN