And in Germany ITS nurses that came to Germany as toddlers get threatened with deportation amidst the pandemic...
Covid: France rewards frontline immigrant workers with citizenship
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US has the largest immigrant population in the world and one of the highest immigration rates among developed countries. I resent how casually blatantly false anti-US comments like this get voted up without any data to back them up, almost like it's a fad to talk-down America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_Stat...
That is in spite of immigration policy, not because of it.
Which policy? The latest H1-B bill which lifts per-country caps passed unanimously in the senate and with a strong majority in the house.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1044
Certainly different people will have different opinions on what the "right" number of immigrants is but this is not an anti-immigrant country.
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#23So if you're an indigenous Frenchman you're automatically entitled, but Africans must literally risk their lives before being eligible? And people are celebrating this... Why should ethnically French have a greater right to France than newcomers? It may have been their grandfather's homeland but it must not be their grandson's if we're ever going to progress. We're better than that now.
This is like asking why ethnically African people have a greater right to Africa than non-African people. Sounds dumb doesn't it?
Colonialism would like to have a word with you
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#24The US could learn from this but is far too anti-immigrant to do the same. Americans accept immigrants into their Armed Forces but regularly deport them even after they’ve served and been in combat.
Anti-Immigrant sentiment is rife here in New Zealand as well. In particular against Asians. If your skin is white, you blend easy here.
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#25The US could learn from this but is far too anti-immigrant to do the same. Americans accept immigrants into their Armed Forces but regularly deport them even after they’ve served and been in combat.
This isn't really true. There have been a few isolated cases of former members of the armed services who were convicted of a felony being deported. I don't agree with that happening either but to say they are regularly deported just isn't true. If you serve in the armed forces and don't commit crimes, and apply for citizenship you will most likely get it. Also the US accepts alot more immigrants than Japan, China, an…
> US accepts alot more immigrants than Japan, China, and many other countries.
The overwhelming majority of people in Japan, China, etc. hasve ancestral roots in their respective countries going back thousands of years before written history. They live in “their land”, their ancestors’ land.
On the other hand, America as we know it is a country of immigrants, practically every “native” American is an N-th generation immigrant, 2 It’s silly to compare immigration policy without regard to historical origins of countries.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't really true. There have been a few isolated cases of former members of the armed services who were convicted of a felony being deported. I don't agree with that happening either but to say they are regularly deported just isn't true. If you serve in the armed forces and don't commit crimes, and apply for citizenship you will most likely get it. Also the US accepts alot more immigrants than Japan, China, an…
I can't vouch for everything about Japan's immigration policy, nor do I have first-hand experience with the US system. But despite Japan intaking a lot less, people who meet the "baseline requirements" (basically, college degree) can be consistently assured that they can get a work visa and not get arbitrarily kicked out of the country. Similarly, even the smallest companies (like miniscule, 5-people startups) are ab…
If the US had Japan's policy you would hear a lot more complaints as relatively few people would be allowed in.
Japan has less than 3m immigrants TOTAL.
The US takes in about 1 million a Year.
"most countries _don't_ just kick someone out on the first crime they commit."
Neither does the US. Most of the time the crimes that lead to deportation are felonies. Why is the US obligated to keep non citizens who commit serious crimes?
The US is under no obligation to take anyone.
The system certainly isn't perfect, warrants criticize. But some of the complaints are ridiculous and come down to again way more demand than supply.
(Update, I don't agree with you, but I hope HNers will not downvote you as a few are)
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#27Reminds me of that case, in France too, in which a Malian immigrant has been offered citizenship and a job as a firefighter after he risked his life climbing a building to save a kid: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-hero/france-offers...
Also mentioned in the linked artcile
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#28So if you're an indigenous Frenchman you're automatically entitled, but Africans must literally risk their lives before being eligible? And people are celebrating this... Why should ethnically French have a greater right to France than newcomers? It may have been their grandfather's homeland but it must not be their grandson's if we're ever going to progress. We're better than that now.
This is like asking why ethnically African people have a greater right to Africa than non-African people. Sounds dumb doesn't it?
I'm talking about France, not Africa. This is basically the same thing that white supremacists say: "Europe for Europeans".
The sooner there is no longer even a concept of 'European' or 'French', the sooner humanity can move beyond racist policies such as in the related link.
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#29Service garuntees citizenship! Would you like to know more? Jokes aside, seems reasonable enough to grant citizenship for those who have performed exceptional civic duty.
To be fair, this fast track should be the norm. The naturalisation process is insanely long intentionally.
It seems rather lax already, to be honest. France requires five years of residency, the ability to speak French, and a basic understanding of French culture and civics. That really seems like the bare minimum for the state to take on a lifetime, irrevocable responsibility for a prospective immigrant.
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#30oh dear, now large influx of immigrants will see this as a deal done, more would be put at risk. not only that but coronavirus reaching france from the outside is now even worse with this reward. there is legal framework to resettle in all the European western nations. every illegal spends above 5k to reach the EU on dodgy paths.
terrible news. those front line workers should be deported after their visa expires.