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How bad is your Spotify?

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Re: How bad is your Spotify?

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Funny, but I was hoping this might provide some insight into why my Spotify is so bad, even by my own tastes. Spotify constantly queues and recommends songs to me that are so bad, I can’t even imagine how there could possibly exist any data indicating that any significant sample of listeners has ever enjoyed hearing them. Spotify has 5+ years of my listening history, and orders of magnitude more data from listeners a…

I'm not typically one to buy into conspiracy theories, but I really can't help but wonder if the Spotify algorithm favors songs that have more favorable licensing terms. They have already announced they intend to let artists buy their way into playlists in the future https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/could-spotifys-new-discovery-...

Don't wonder. Just be realistic. Did you ever work in an IT business environment? Remember the situations when good taste slowly morphed into business interests? Yeah, that's natural in a capitalist environment. By no chance spotify dodged that bullet. Positivity and goodwill is fine but don't spare anyone from corruption.

Re: How bad is your Spotify?

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As someone who listens to spotify all day while programming, here's my secret to success: I create a playlist to fit a mood (for example, ambient electronic music with a good beat and no words), and I seed it with at least 10 songs. Then, I go down to the "Recommended Songs" section and I just play whatever it recommends. If I don't like a song, I hit the skip button on my keyboard. The vast majority of what it recom…

I'm dumbfounded people still put up with this mess on Spotify. Pandora's discovery, recommendations, and shuffle algorithms are objectively superior to Spotify - yet, everyone still seems to use Spotify none-the-less. Discovery, recommendations and shuffle are at the heart of what made Pandora a thing... it's literally what Pandora was built on back when it was purely a seeded radio of sorts. Whereas Spotify more-or-…

When I try to open pandora.com from Australia I get an empty page with the sentence "Whoops! You weren't supposed to end up here."[1]

[1] https://ibb.co/YNxhbkH

Re: How bad is your Spotify?

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Funny, but I was hoping this might provide some insight into why my Spotify is so bad, even by my own tastes. Spotify constantly queues and recommends songs to me that are so bad, I can’t even imagine how there could possibly exist any data indicating that any significant sample of listeners has ever enjoyed hearing them. Spotify has 5+ years of my listening history, and orders of magnitude more data from listeners a…

Counter anecdote: I've built up playlists full of tracks from good recommendations from Spotify. The genres are relatively niche and electronic (sub-genres of house, techno, uk garage, electronica, etc). The only downside is it gets a bit too eager to recommend the most played few tracks from a given artist, but I've discovered a lot of new artists this way though.

I remember that my suggestions were pretty obscure the last time I tried the spotify algo. But actually it is pretty natural that they suggest niche or less known artists because those have shittier deals and are less expensive to stream. Also, in that position you don't want to promote the top artists for free.

Re: How bad is your Spotify?

#524
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Speaking for myself? Content. Philip Glass has 27 albums on Pandora, 105 on Spotify. Nico Mulhy? 7 vs 14. Maarja Nuut. Only 1 album on Pandora. For her, Pandora makes no recommendations for others to listen to, Spotify lists 20. Pandora has no bio, Spotify does. Third Coast Percussion? 8 vs 10. I'm just randomly clicking in my library and doing a comparison, they aren't artfully chosen examples. I recognize this isn'…

You could check out YouTube Music (edit: changed from "music"), which has a long list of Philip Glass titles that may be up there with Spotify. I gave up on Spotify when they removed the widget functionality on Android. I know they returned it eventually, but not without complete uproar. It burned myself as a decade old (family) premium user though; I used to love them, but that complete disregard completely changed…

Youtube's organization of music is horrible. It clearly wasn't made for listening to music.

Re: How bad is your Spotify?

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I'm dumbfounded people still put up with this mess on Spotify. Pandora's discovery, recommendations, and shuffle algorithms are objectively superior to Spotify - yet, everyone still seems to use Spotify none-the-less. Discovery, recommendations and shuffle are at the heart of what made Pandora a thing... it's literally what Pandora was built on back when it was purely a seeded radio of sorts. Whereas Spotify more-or-…

Oh how the world would have been different if Rdio hadn't been acquired and killed by Pandora. It's recommendations were perfect .

Rdio went bankrupt, and sold assets to Pandora as part of that process. It wasn’t bought and killed.

Re: How bad is your Spotify?

#526
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i'm 1% basic, i'm clearly the coolest in da room

I'm guessing 1% is actually common. Mine: "You are 1% basic. Oh wow Penelope Trappes and Titi Robin! Your taste is so obscure that's so cool I bet you're super interesting.. You're too trendy for your own good. You only listen to music made in the last year."

Another 1%:

"You are 1% basic. Have you considered there's a reason nobody listens to DJ Marsta?.

You're stuck in the early 2010s. You must have peaked right around Mez's Tyrone EP."

Re: How bad is your Spotify?

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post #437

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I'm dumbfounded people still put up with this mess on Spotify. Pandora's discovery, recommendations, and shuffle algorithms are objectively superior to Spotify - yet, everyone still seems to use Spotify none-the-less. Discovery, recommendations and shuffle are at the heart of what made Pandora a thing... it's literally what Pandora was built on back when it was purely a seeded radio of sorts. Whereas Spotify more-or-…

> Discovery, recommendations and shuffle are at the heart of what made Pandora a thing That's exactly what I'm not looking for; I'm perfectly fine with making my own music choices. I know what I like, have an extensive "library" on Spotify, and play from just that. The biggest thing I'm missing from Spotify (or indeed, most players, except the one I wrote myself years ago) is the ability to say "play random album fro…

mostly the same for me, but I would love to be able to browse record labels on spotify; it does not have the concept of a record label (!) though.

Re: How bad is your Spotify?

#528

Might have missed the point of the site here (just speculating) -- I got a lot of sarcastic criticism (hey cool, I don't care) but not a single suggestion. Spotify has helped me find lots of music that I like. This site didn't. Fuck this site.

Ah, but it didn't promise suggestions, it promised to analyze how bad your Spotify is, and it delivers as promised, regardless of what you listen to!

Re: How bad is your Spotify?

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That's an awful idea for a privacy feature.

You can disable sharing altogether if you want. This is specifically for a single "session." Like if you want to listen to a guilty pleasure and don't want your friends bugging you about it

It's also useful if you have a second musical "life" that you don't want to involve in your recommendations. Parents with kids' music, for instance. In my case, I turn on private listening when I go to bed, because my sleeping music is repetitive and nothing like the music I want to discover.

Re: How bad is your Spotify?

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> I wasn't aware that playlists can be copyrighted. I Am Not A Lawyer, but "a curated collection of units-of-art" seems like a very reasonable thing to protect access to, independently of ownership of the actual units-of-art themselves (overly-generic terminology is intentional, since although we're discussing playlists here, the same argument could be made for, for instance, "a particular framing/hanging of visual a…

> I Am Not A Lawyer, but "a curated collection of units-of-art" seems like a very reasonable thing to protect access to I'm going to need a citation on playlists specifically being protected under copyright. I'm not sure how you can claim that what is effectually a simple plaintext list of things can be copyrighted. What original content there is being put under copyright? As you already stated, they do not alter the…

> I'm going to need a citation on playlists specifically being protected under copyright

And I'm not going to give you one, because, as I said, I Am Not A Lawyer (and even if I was, you're not paying me to be). But, regardless, note that I made no reference to copyright whatsoever - I said "this seems like a very reasonable thing to protect access to". I'm making no reference to law whatsoever - just to what _I_ think is reasonable for a corporation to protect. You are free to disagree.

> they do not provide any supplimentary content to enhance the experience, at least not in the same way that a book published list, or internet top ten list would ordinarily provide some kind of commentary on the items.

The collection _is_ the supplementary content. If a Spotify playlist was a quasi-random collection of tracks from across the entire catalogue, then you'd be right, but they're not - the playlists are curated and specifically chosen to fit some niche (genre, artist-relation, time period, etc.). By virtue of _being in a playlist called_ (e.g.) "1940's Smooth Jazz", the songs are demarcated as being a) relevant to the particular criteria, and b) of a high-enough "quality" (whatever that means) that they have been chosen. So, yes, the plaintext-listing of those song titles _would_ have some value, just like a list of "(only the titles of the) top ten sci-fi novels of 2019" would have some value. I would, for instance, value such a list more-highly if it came from someone whose taste in sci-fi I respect and resonate with.

> What you're claiming here is effectually that, not even the content, but the mere titles of every single "top 50 foos" list on the internet can be copyrighted

Again, I'm intentionally _not_ touching on issues of copyright as legal status - but, yes, I am absolutely suggesting that someone who has gone to the effort of curating a "top 50 foos" list, _and_ of associating it with a powerful taste-making brand like Spotify's, would be justified in perceiving that list _itself_ as a valuable and protection-worthy creation.

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After the cut because it's less relevant to the discussion, but:

> that the rearranging of a book's chapters without any change to the contents, can itself fall under copyright

I mean...if you _don't_ see how it could be possible for someone to remix the content of an existing artwork into a conceptually-new work, by making statements _with_ the playing-with-form, then I think we're just looking at art from fundamentally different perspectives and are never going to agree. If you truly _do_ want to understand my perspective, you might try thinking about how the consumption of art is affect by the context of how it is consumed and presented, not just the sequence of bytes/soundwaves/visual-elements that compose it.

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