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Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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Seconded. I have 2 LG 27GN950-B's on my desk, and love the 27" 4K HDR @ 144Hz experience (at least on Catalina. Big Sur has completely broken DSC and will only do HDR @ 60, non-HDR @ 95). I love them for my photo editing.

I can't get 144hz at 4k. Any specific cable you're using?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XTYKLNJ

(This is on my 2019 Mac Pro)

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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That's exactly what I have been telling folks about Apple vs. other laptops. Apple only has a handful of laptop models for sale and they don't even change that much across generations. Furthermore they seem to exhibit hardly any manufacturing variations within each generation. That means that if there is a problem (and yes, there were a few big ones), everyone is affected the same, everyone is screaming about it, the…

That last paragraph is indicative of terribly quality and quality control. Fortunately that hasn't been my experience with the recent Dell, Asus, Lenovo and HP laptops I've purchased. Each have been without any issues at all. But my point here is that... it sounds like you're arguing against consumer choice. You can have your Model T in any color as long as it is black. And this is Apple's model. You can have your pr…

Actually from what I've heard from Linux distro maintainers (mainly from Fedora) it seems like Apple actually does quite substantial hardware revisions internally without telling anyone as users report that their MacBook 20XX does not work with a Linux distro while another users report that on the paper the same device of the same model year works fine. IIRC the estimate was about 4 hardware revisions per year.

This really complicates the already limited attempts to run Linux distros on the Mac hardware as users simply can't reliably tell if their hardware will be compatible beforehand.

On the MacOS side they likely paper over the differences, quirks and bugs in firmware and drivers, so the user does not native anything and they can change the hardware underneath as needed.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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Yes, this is good advice thank you. The real problem I'm trying to solve is being able to use my phone while running a zoom, though!

Do you have a retired phone in a drawer somewhere? I recently started taking Zoom calls in my office on my desktop, and didn’t have a webcam at all. I found EpocCam and used it on my iPhone X, but quickly pulled out my wife’s retired Galaxy S7 to use for this purpose. At this point you can get a used S7 on eBay for ~$60. That’s cheaper than a webcam with similar image quality, and you can use the phone for other proj…

I got out my pixel1 for exactly this reason. It began to boot, then hung, and now will not boot at all.

I might try to pick up a spare phone for cheap somewhere as you suggest.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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The real, real reason you can't buy good webcams is because the market isn't a meritocracy. Make the best webcam in existence and there just isn't a robust, or honest, review community to let it shine. Instead there are a billion "here's a list of things that we can get affiliate dollars for from Amazon, and we'll pretend we reviewed them" listings. This problem has hit a lot of markets. Without a financial support f…

> Make the best webcam in existence and there just isn't a robust, or honest, review community to let it shine. Instead there are a billion "here's a list of things that we can get affiliate dollars for from Amazon, and we'll pretend we reviewed them" listings. Wirecutter?

Wirecutter just buys a popular brand name and says they like it.

They don't do any careful tests or write up details.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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A high end Logitech with a Zeiss lens and auto focus is superior to any webcam you can buy. It'll also last for a long long time. Of course a bigger sensor and a bigger lens (DSLR, Mirrorless, etc.) is something different.

Logitech Zeiss is a webcam you buy.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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As for the design constraint that webcams have to be small to fit into the lids, I find the lid to be one of those places where I get the worst angle (both for lighting, and just in general), which is under your chin. I have to sit back a foot or two to make it look right. Instead, what if there was a detachable part that was in the base that contained the webcam? Then you could hang it on the top lid (like normal pl…

You are describing a normal external webcam.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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I went down this rabbit hole at the start of the pandemic and it's more complex. The thing that makes for a good web-cam is a great lens. The sensor and body of the camera is mostly commodity and contributes at max $50-$100. A good lens with shallow depth of field will cost $500-$700. So the best case current solution would be $700+ for something that will look as good as a high-quality DSLR without the body complexi…

Why is your lens 3x the price of a pro-am Autofocus prime or zoomablr DSLR lens?

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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exactly, audio is the most important. Nobody needs to see your unshaven sleepy quarantine face in 4K. But if they can't hear you, or there is a lot of noise, the meeting is ruined

Actually, nobody will ever see your face in 4k because none of the platforms that are used for this will ever transmit video at that resolution. Most cap at 1080p with a very heavy compression. Also understand that real time compression is different from offline compression. To compress well it requires a huge amount of CPU. Real time compression results in higher bandwidth for the same image quality but more typical…

Never say never, I'm sure it won't be long before 4k's as commonplace as 1080p (with heavy compression).

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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post #775

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> Make the best webcam in existence and there just isn't a robust, or honest, review community to let it shine. Instead there are a billion "here's a list of things that we can get affiliate dollars for from Amazon, and we'll pretend we reviewed them" listings. Wirecutter?

Wirecutter just buys a popular brand name and says they like it. They don't do any careful tests or write up details.

Have you ever read one of their reviews? That's exactly what they do.
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