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PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

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Re: PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

#11
A brick respects your privacy but it is not a very useful computation device.

I bought a laptop from them and after about 6 months of struggling with PureOS I installed Ubuntu and it has been smooth sailing. One software issue I had with the PureOs install was a hard freeze during the booting about 60% of the time.

I hope there is a newcomer to privacy crowd that is willing to air on the pragmatic side of things. Like somewhere between apple and purism.

Re: PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

#12

Being unable to connect to the Internet or any network due to a lack of WiFi support is a strong privacy and security protection mechanism indeed. And the freedom is provided by removing your choice to use nonfree WiFi drivers. Leaving that decision to you with a warning of its implications (ala Debian) is not really freedom because you'll make the wrong choice. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of FOSS, but not of d…

I feel like I must be misreading something, because your second paragraph appears to me to be the doublespeak you claim to dislike.

The problem with "free software" fundamentalists is they care more about the freedom of the software than the freedom of the user. Part of free choice from a user perspective is the freedom to run proprietary blobs. Also when it comes to freedom to run or not run proprietary software there is no such thing as a wrong choice, just a personal choice. I would prefer you not force your freedom on me, so that I can be free to do as I please.

Re: PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no laptops in the market which support free firmware for WiFi, except those from Purism. So PureOS (without installing additional non-free software) will not work for you. Alternatively one could use this: https://tehnoetic.com/tehnoetic-wireless-adapter-gnu-linux-l... .

> There are no laptops in the market which support free firmware for WiFi, except those from Purism. There are at least the handful the FSF RYF certifies.¹ Unfortunately you do appear correct about Intel WiFi not having Free software support² (though that adapter certainly should). ¹ https://ryf.fsf.org/categories/laptops ² https://h-node.org/wifi/catalogue/en/1/1/Intel-Corporation/u...

I recall running into issues with WiFi firmware from Purism. I installed the prop. driver and got some improvement. Although, I ended up upgrading the wifi chip altogether in the end.

Re: PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

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Personally I think QubeOS is probably the best option in terms of Privacy and Security at this stage. If your hardware can handle it (16GB RAM would be best).

I would seriously consider QubeOS over PureOS if privacy and security are your concerns.

It works pretty well and I've been using it for a while now on not so recent hardware without much issues.

Their compartmentalization and seamless virtualization is just amazing and I don't think any other distro offers this with so much convenience.

Re: PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

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post #11

A brick respects your privacy but it is not a very useful computation device. I bought a laptop from them and after about 6 months of struggling with PureOS I installed Ubuntu and it has been smooth sailing. One software issue I had with the PureOs install was a hard freeze during the booting about 60% of the time. I hope there is a newcomer to privacy crowd that is willing to air on the pragmatic side of things. Lik…

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Re: PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

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post #11

A brick respects your privacy but it is not a very useful computation device. I bought a laptop from them and after about 6 months of struggling with PureOS I installed Ubuntu and it has been smooth sailing. One software issue I had with the PureOs install was a hard freeze during the booting about 60% of the time. I hope there is a newcomer to privacy crowd that is willing to air on the pragmatic side of things. Lik…

System76 also sells laptops with a Linux OS, Coreboot BIOS, and a "disabled" Intel Management Engine. (There's no true way to disable it, but any dangerous parts are removed, rendering it useless)

System76 is not a newcomer, though - they've got 15 years of history. I've bought from them and found the experience to be superb.

Re: PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

#17

Being unable to connect to the Internet or any network due to a lack of WiFi support is a strong privacy and security protection mechanism indeed. And the freedom is provided by removing your choice to use nonfree WiFi drivers. Leaving that decision to you with a warning of its implications (ala Debian) is not really freedom because you'll make the wrong choice. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of FOSS, but not of d…

You can change out the internal WLAN card in a lot of laptops, or get a USB version with free drivers. It's a very realistic option. You just have to be more careful when picking your hardware, since many chip makers don't release free drivers.

Re: PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

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Personally I think QubeOS is probably the best option in terms of Privacy and Security at this stage. If your hardware can handle it (16GB RAM would be best). I would seriously consider QubeOS over PureOS if privacy and security are your concerns. It works pretty well and I've been using it for a while now on not so recent hardware without much issues. Their compartmentalization and seamless virtualization is just am…

I love qubes my only gripe is that they use the zen hypervisor instead of a minimal formally verified os such as sel4 which I think would go a long way in strengthening the isolation between “domains/containers/etc”.

Re: PureOS: Freedom, Privacy, and Security

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post #11

A brick respects your privacy but it is not a very useful computation device. I bought a laptop from them and after about 6 months of struggling with PureOS I installed Ubuntu and it has been smooth sailing. One software issue I had with the PureOs install was a hard freeze during the booting about 60% of the time. I hope there is a newcomer to privacy crowd that is willing to air on the pragmatic side of things. Lik…

System76 also sells laptops with a Linux OS, Coreboot BIOS, and a "disabled" Intel Management Engine. (There's no true way to disable it, but any dangerous parts are removed, rendering it useless) System76 is not a newcomer, though - they've got 15 years of history. I've bought from them and found the experience to be superb.

The ME side is not so clear anymore. Pre-nehalem, it could be truly disabled. Up to skylake, it could be "cleaned". Up to cometlake, it could be "asked" to disable itself. From tigerlake onwards, it is quite essential since tigerlake removes S3 sleep, and ME is needed for efficient modern standby.
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