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Re: Telegram's getting ads

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Post by local_dev »

utf_8x wrote: post #18
local_dev wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does signal still have a problem of dropping messages? I tried to use it as a replacement for Android Messages a while ago but roughly 10-25% of all messages were not received any given day.

Not to my knowledge... I use Signal every day and haven't noticed any message loss lately.

Thanks! I'll have to try it out again after the holiday madness calms down.

Re: Telegram's getting ads

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Post by hertzrat »

bilal4hmed wrote: post #3

While Im not a fan of telegrams encryption, the title is a bit misleading. It makes it seem as if ALL of telegram is getting ads. if you go to the founders post https://t.me/durov/142 It clearly says ads will be for the 1:many public community channels and not the private 1:1 and group chats. Other ways of funding will be premium services for businesses and premium stickers. Sounds reasonable to me

What do you dislike about telegrams encryption? The only private messaging app Im really familiar with signal

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Post by balozi »

grishka wrote: post #20

As someone who knew Durov personally, I'd say that it's very unlikely that the UX will be ruined by ads, and even more unlikely that users will be manipulated and/or tracked in any way. If there's one thing he does well it's respecting his users. He knows what "we're earning enough to cover our expenses" means. The company is privately owned so no one will be pushing him into anything either. Many popular Telegram ch…

Come on, ALL UX is ruined by addition of ads. I bet there is not a single user of any app anywhere ever that can claim that their UX was bettered by ads. Also, users WILL be have to manipulated and/or tracked for the purpose of monetization via ads. By now everyone is well acquainted with these monetization techniques, so no point in pretending otherwise.

Re: Telegram's getting ads

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Post by hertzrat »

bilal4hmed wrote: post #4
fsflover wrote: post #2

This is why decentralization is the future. Any sufficiently popular walled garden will have such problem (I'm looking at you Signal). Consider using Matrix instead.

I like Matrix, but when it comes to ease of use and onboarding Signal is easier for the general audience.

Is matrix as private as signal? How do you go about finding a good server? How do you know if you picked a good one? Which app do you use? Matrix would be more popular if the getting started flow was more clear on these sorts of questions. The decentralization is a major benefit, but some sort of “pick these if you don’t know what’s going on” flow would get peoples foot in the door; then a user could change things up later when they got their footing (add a pop up every 6 months reminding users that they can use different apps or servers, etc)

Re: Telegram's getting ads

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Post by dred_prte_rbrts »

grishka wrote: post #20

As someone who knew Durov personally, I'd say that it's very unlikely that the UX will be ruined by ads, and even more unlikely that users will be manipulated and/or tracked in any way. If there's one thing he does well it's respecting his users. He knows what "we're earning enough to cover our expenses" means. The company is privately owned so no one will be pushing him into anything either. Many popular Telegram ch…

It's a trap. "Enough to cover our expenses" means the ad rates have to be high enough and for them to be high enough the advertisers have to get good performance. We'll see how well this comment ages.

Re: Telegram's getting ads

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Post by hertzrat »

otachack wrote: post #15
utf_8x wrote: post #12

I'd recommend Signal[0] as an alternative. It's fully Open-Source (including the backend) and their crypto is public and independently verified[1][2][3]... [0] https://signal.org/en/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Encryption_p... [2] https://threatpost.com/signal-audit-reveals-protocol-cryptog... [3] https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf [PDF]

Signal is great and I believe it does have better crypto. But the UI is severely lacking along with feature set. Telegram feels like it's adding something new every few months, though the documentation over the features is poor since it's mostly through announcements. It's also a lot more customizable. I ultimately settled on Telegram because it was a good balance of feature-rich and crypto (when you use it) That bei…

I never found signal lacking in any way, except that occasionally push notifications don’t get through. When people say signal is lacking in features, what do they mean? Simplicity is appealing too
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