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Unpopular opinion & OT: Synchronous communication (eg. calls, video calls, real meetings) with more than two people rarely add value. Edit: Dear Downvoters, it's ok that you downvoted as it was expected but please share why you think different and give examples what value a 2+ meeting adds
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I really wish Telegram would embrace open source, security audits, etc. It's one of, if not the, best UX chat message apps with so many features it's sort of mindblowing. I'd love to use them. But.. i avoid it, because something doesn't smell right. Allowing me to pay would be yet another right direction for Telegram, but i just can't move past the audit (and to a lesser extent, FOSS)
Telegram, the client, is fully FLOSS. You can even find it on f-droid¹, contrary to e.g. Signal, which is only available for installation via closed app stores. Do you refer to the server-stack? How would that being Open Source help you when you cannot ever verify what a server actually runs? ¹ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.telegram.messenger/
Primarily yes, and while true - that's an extreme and a bit pointless, imo. I can say the same about Linux, which i'm on now, as i've never verified what i'm _actually_ running. Or Matrix servers i'm connected to, and what they're _actually_ running.
Yet the idea remains that something some people have analyzed is better than something "no one" (outside Telegram lol) has analyzed.
Your question feels as if we may as well all be running entirely closed source. I'm unsure why the benefits and/or supporting arguments for FOSS need to be stated here. Is there a degree of your question i'm missing?
edit: Oh and, of course, the FOSS nature is even more important in the case where the majority of Telegram communication seems to lack security. If this was a zero knowledge platform i'd be far less concerned about their serverside implementation.
I found Durov's plans to monetize Telegram most interesting. https://t.me/durov/142 Team features (competing with Slack/Discord?), ad tools for telegram channels and premium stickers. Whilst keeping all the existing Telegram features.
They should integrate direct payments/donations.
Sad to see those plans gone but what else there is to expect from authorities if you're about to make their jobs 10x harder.
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Slack/Zoom/Teams/Whatever Google is running now is mostly dictated by what the company uses for their email. Pretty much no-one uses any of those for personal stuff, Slack does have some open-source project stuff in there. FB Messenger seems to be highly siloed, I never use it and I know only one person who uses it as their main communication platform. Whatsapp has reached critical mass in many countries outside of t…
I don't actually use it yet myself, but my hope is that Matrix will eventually be the end of having to care about which app someone else uses. That an incumbent or two will switch, and no new app would gain significant market share with a non-Matrix silo. I may just be dreaming though. Perhaps better bridges are the best we can realistically hope for.
But Matrix the ecosystem is a mess. Everything is almost there, but not quite. Pretty much anything you want to do is just a little bit too difficult compared to the amount of work you're willing to put in to adopt a new messaging system.
The worst part is, that it's been in this state for a few years now. It's not that much easier to run your own server, clients are just a bit too clunky, bridges are flaky and hard to use.
It'll get there someday, I hope.
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Telegram, the client, is fully FLOSS. You can even find it on f-droid¹, contrary to e.g. Signal, which is only available for installation via closed app stores. Do you refer to the server-stack? How would that being Open Source help you when you cannot ever verify what a server actually runs? ¹ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.telegram.messenger/
> Do you refer to the server-stack? How would that being Open Source help you when you cannot ever verify what a server actually runs? Primarily yes, and while true - that's an extreme and a bit pointless, imo. I can say the same about Linux, which i'm on now, as i've never verified what i'm _actually_ running. Or Matrix servers i'm connected to, and what they're _actually_ running. Yet the idea remains that somethin…
I understand the confusion. I was talking about the current situation where you cannot run your own server or even choose amongst servers.
It is pointless if you can view the source-code of that server, but have no way to check if the one server that you can ever use, runs that code at all.
It makes sense in a federated or decentralised setup, where you can run your own servers, choose instances, or even build your own version of the client with other backend-urls baked in. For Telegram all it offers is validation that the code is good, or not good. Without any power to do anything about that.
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Telegram, the client, is fully FLOSS. You can even find it on f-droid¹, contrary to e.g. Signal, which is only available for installation via closed app stores. Do you refer to the server-stack? How would that being Open Source help you when you cannot ever verify what a server actually runs? ¹ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.telegram.messenger/
> Do you refer to the server-stack? How would that being Open Source help you when you cannot ever verify what a server actually runs? Primarily yes, and while true - that's an extreme and a bit pointless, imo. I can say the same about Linux, which i'm on now, as i've never verified what i'm _actually_ running. Or Matrix servers i'm connected to, and what they're _actually_ running. Yet the idea remains that somethin…
That's literally impossible with any closed-source server-side software. You can't even inspect the binary as you can with a client.
I found Durov's plans to monetize Telegram most interesting. https://t.me/durov/142 Team features (competing with Slack/Discord?), ad tools for telegram channels and premium stickers. Whilst keeping all the existing Telegram features.
Basically "Ads companies are horrible and not to be trusted. Btw, welcome to our new business model - ads"
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I really wish Telegram would embrace open source, security audits, etc. It's one of, if not the, best UX chat message apps with so many features it's sort of mindblowing. I'd love to use them. But.. i avoid it, because something doesn't smell right. Allowing me to pay would be yet another right direction for Telegram, but i just can't move past the audit (and to a lesser extent, FOSS)
> It's one of, if not the, best UX chat message apps with so many features it's sort of mindblowing. I'd go as far as saying it's by far the best. I have used the word unnerving to describe the fact it's so beyond the rest of the competition, yet free and without a viable business model. I use Signal with friends and Matrix with other nerds.
Given the open-source nature of tg, I would imagine someone would put together a Messenger client based on tg source code. I guess that would solve many problems with FB's own messenger.