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Re: Telescopictext

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I discovered Joe Davis and TT a couple years (even going so far as to make my own editing tool which, I like to think, influenced Joe's own implementation). I was thinking about the news article ideas the other day, actually. (E.g., a 24in60.com snippet that expends to a full article.) I think it would be really cool, but it takes a lot of work to make something seamlessly go from being a snippet of information to a…

Why not go the opposite way and write increasingly shorter snippets from a full article?

This is whats shocked me about the authoring tool.

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This is the difference between my speech and my typing, my presentations and my speaker notes, and so on. Anyone know how to learn to do this as you go along, not preparing?

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The fully expanded text is: Yawning, and smearing my eyes with my fingers, I walked bleary eyed into the kitchen and filled the kettle with fresh water from the tap, checking with my hands to make sure it was cold enough (The best tea comes from the coldest water). I glanced outside for a minute at the city mist. I could almost taste the grey. I plugged the kettle in and switched it on. As the kettle began to hiss, I…

Thank you for the TLDR. I wondered whether the text would just keep expanding forever... In some ways I am sad that it did not.

The only way to make it expand forever would be to support recursion. Would be interesting what texts you could come up with that. Kind of a textual Mandelbrot set.

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Based on one of the comments below I couldn't help but wonder: Would trying to program an "ever-expanding" text like this yield any new ideas in NLP?

As someone in NLP I think I just came up with an idea about how it would be useful, but I won't say :D

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It might be nice to read news articles this way. Start with the headline and expand the parts that interest you the most. I can imagine it being difficult to write that way, though.

Or maybe just write the article, and present the most-important bits first, starting with the headline. Then, the first paragraph or so would cover the important points, and as you kept reading, it'd get less and less important.

That's genius. I wish there was an organization in which they wrote most of their articles this way. Perhaps they could even send these articles to other organizations for some kind of reprinting fee.

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This would be a great way to supplement dense text for comprehension purposes and for learning new vocabulary. Learning moments are different for different people, this makes it one-size-fits-all.

Except, people with OCPD would click everything through, just to see if they missed anything, and really not make much headway into reading at all.

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I saw something like this described many years ago (possibly by Ted Nelson, who coined the term 'hypertext'). The concept was like a volume control for text where cranking the volume control varied the amount of detail from one line summary through to a multi page article.

I've always really liked the idea but writing coherent content could be fiendishly difficult (the simple approach is just to provide a number of versions and cycle through them).

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Wow, the http://www.telescopictext.org/ website is a very slick tool to create your own. I created an example one here (made a few typos that I couldn't figure out how to fix): http://www.telescopictext.org/text/AYeELHzYgVV8b

It has the feel of interactive embedded footnotes with positive reinforcement for opening them -- each time I clicked it revealed a few more features about you. Positive reinforcement is an important factor as you feel like you're discovering information hidden at a deeper level. Even if dozens, or even hundreds, have discovered that "secret" before it still feels like you've achieved something. The alt-text on XKCD…

Slate magazine uses a nice way of presenting footnotes, especially in the series of long-form articles it published in the last few months. They use a small grey circle with a + sign in it; when you hover over the circle, a popup appears with the footnote. Some of the long-form articles have entire paragraphs in each footnote, which seem like they've been removed to make the article flow better but preserved for the interested reader who would like more detail. Others are simply corrections or clarifications added after the fact. I'd love it if more sites picked up this convention.

Another site which has a particularly unique way of writing footnotes is E2 ( http://everything2.com ). Like Wikipedia, editors ('noders') are encouraged to link articles ('nodes') together by hyperlinking words throughout the text. Unlike Wikipedia, noders can post anything: essays, fiction, poetry.

Some use the hyperlinks as commentary on the main text - if you hover over them, the title of the linked node can be very different from the text of the actual link, possibly changing the meaning of a sentence (for example, "I tell her that I'm [okay]", with [okay] linking to the node 'I am not okay'.)

Occasionally, noders link entire phrases or sentences which seem interesting, even if there's no actual node with that name. There is the concept of "filling nodeshells": writing new and interesting content to fill a node which was created by someone linking a phrase from another node.

Each node also holds a grid of 'softlinks': nodes which people visited from that node. Mostly this is composed of links from the text in that node, but it can also be used for readers' commentary via the readers deliberately visiting appropriately-titled nodes.

More info: http://everything2.com/title/The+perfect+node

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