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Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

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Re: Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

#51
Given the number of people I know personally who have already gotten the vaccine, it seems to me that they aren't being terribly stingy with handing it out to people.

I would expect the even moderately wealthy to be able to cut in line and acquire it whether or not they admit to it publicly.

Re: Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

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The ultra-rich don't need a vaccine. They just get $150k stem cell injections into their neck.

Do you have some more information about this treatment? I haven’t heard about it, but that might be because I’m not in the market for $150k medical treatments :)

He might be talking about the monoclonal antibody treatment that Trump, Rudy, Chris Christie, and some others have received. They gave the president 8 grams of the stuff. His was the Regeron formulation, I'm not totally sure how much that costs. Bamlanivimab, from Eli Lily, apparently runs about $1200 a vial[0] (with a vial being 700mg), so if Trump had gotten that it would have only been in the neighborhood of $20k.

And, of course, antibodies aren't made from stem cells, so I don't actually know what the poster is on about here.

[0] https://www.globaldata.com/eli-lillys-covid-19-mab-bamlanivi...

Re: Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

#53
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I thought this was satire after reading the headline. But no, this is someone suggesting celebrities and billionaires should be the first people we protect. In a healthy functioning society, we'd protect the most vulnerable first -- elderly, front line workers, grocery store workers, etc. And we'd find the funding to make that happen either by taxing the ultra wealthy or just printing money because it's a pandemic an…

> But no, this is someone suggesting celebrities and billionaires should be the first people we protect.

I don't think that's what it's saying though. It's saying by allocating ~500k vaccines (or as few as ~100k), we can raise $50 billion dollars, and show people that other "influential" people see the vaccine not only as safe, but as something that should be sought after. In the grand scheme of things, that represents a very small portion of the total supply, and hence I'd argue the upside ($50B + more people getting the vaccine) would be worth it.

Re: Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

#54
This is just not a serious idea. Firstly, if you do decide you want to suggest diverting the vaccine from people at high risk to people at low risk in order to raise revenue then the least you can do is run the numbers on how many more of those high risk people will die.

Secondly "this isn't political! It's either a free-market solution or a tax". No. It's not a free-market solution, it's the governemnt setting an arbitrary price for a product they have a legal monopoly on, it's also not a tax since it's entirely optional for people to pay it.

Thirdly, the comparison to Delaney is massively off - Delaney's plan would save nearly $100Bn compared to the current solution of selling the vaccine and congress being forced to hand out $2000 stimulus checks. Becuase the checks weren't really about getting people to take the vaccine, it was about providing the stimulus checks that are already going to happen, but tying them to something.

Finally, if you're rich enough to give $100k for a vaccine you're probably rich enough to find a way of getting it somewhere else, so really what we're saying is that you're asking them to make a massive donation for something that they don't need fron you.

Re: Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

#55
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I wouldn't even charge for the privilege. As long as health care workers and nursing homes stay at the absolute head of the line, nothing else really matters until we hit herd immunity. Publicize how desperate the rich are to get the vaccine and that 60% willingness to get vaccinated will go up (which is a large part of what the article said). I think charging money to skip, just causes a whole raft of other problems…

>I think charging money to skip, just causes a whole raft of other problems. Why? >Let the elites think they are pulling strings and just give it to them. But why not give it to them, but also try to extract money from them at the same time?

Given the gigantic cost of lockdowns to the economy - billions a day - the government has likely already thrown an lot of money at vaccine production and distribution. If more money could be usefully spent, it would have been.

Therefore, if an 80-year-old is 300x more likely to die than 37-year-old Martin Shkreli, moving a dose from the former and to the latter is inefficient.

Re: Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

#57
post #31

I thought this was satire after reading the headline. But no, this is someone suggesting celebrities and billionaires should be the first people we protect. In a healthy functioning society, we'd protect the most vulnerable first -- elderly, front line workers, grocery store workers, etc. And we'd find the funding to make that happen either by taxing the ultra wealthy or just printing money because it's a pandemic an…

Everyone has their idea of what a "healthy, functioning society" is. To me, a society fighting this optimally would maximize QALYs. That means some really elderly people will be permitted to die while high connectivity young uns would be vaccinated.

Of course, the naïve view is that there is one known "healthy, functioning society" and that others are optimizing for greed or some other vice.

Re: Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

#58
Counterpoint: No.

Use the vaccine to protect the people who are actually in danger. If a billionaire gets covid they can get the super special sci-fi insta-cure that every other person in power gets.

The solution to a public health communications issue is not 'get influencers on board' it's to amplify the science communicators who are already doing it, and public policy.

Re: Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

#59
This article is morally wrong, but the rich is going to get it before the rest of us anyway. I say give it to them, you can't change the fact they will get it first, at least let them beta test it. After most people get it, the risks disappear.

Re: Let the ultra-rich and influential skip the line for Covid-19 vaccines?

#60
The author seems to be overstating the actual value of the vaccine. The fair market value is probably somewhere around $10k right now. Any more than that, and you're rich enough to just hop a private jet to New Zealand and hang out with other millionaires right now. The people who would actually pay for this are the 9%; those with just enough means to drop a serious sum, but not enough to abstract away reality the way the 1% can.
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