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‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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I've drastically improved my YouTube experience by removing all recommendations and comments from my YouTube experience using the "Remove YouTube Recommended Videos, Comments" Chrome/Firefox extension. Combining this with an ad blocker makes YouTube a joy. It works for me, not the other way around.

Sure, I may miss out on watching a few good videos, but I find at most I'll miss out on a good piece of trivia, at best I am more focused and in control over my attention.

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This feels a bit like stating the obvious. I felt the "pull" of the alt-right because of YouTube; It begins innocuously enough, someone shares something that's a thoughtful piece on "googles culture" or something which is left leaning, then in the recommendations there is a response, usually a passionate argument against SJW's or whatever, once you watch one it's basically game over (at least this was the case 1-2 ye…

Why don't you just delete the underlying videos from your youtube history? I've had history turned off for a while, so my recommendations are only based on likes, subscriptions, and the actual content I'm watching at that moment. It seems like cleaning/clearing the history would solve the problem?

How do you know that deleting your history does anything? I mean, yes, deleting your history hides what you've been looking at (from you), but does that restrict the recommendation algorithm? Is there a way to know for sure?

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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post #121

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I rarely have that problem with watch later, but it does happen. When I want to ensure a video is available down the line, i send the url to the web archive; they have a special archiver for youtube videos.

What's the link?

Just prefix any URL with this exactly: https://web.archive.org/save/

Example: https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

If it's already saved, it'll do a new snapshot, but I believe the archive is smart enough not to duplicate saved youtube videos.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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If you want a glimpse of the average person's youtube experience, open the site in incognito and go to the "trending" tab. It's a completely different site depending on what you initially search for when you start using it. The problem is, 80% of youtube userbase never really typed a search query for anything in the first place, and as a result the stuff they get recommended and watch is pure shit.

I believe trending is hand curated by youtube

I looked at trending once. Never again.

There is great content on YouTube, but what I consider great is completely different from the next person, which is why trending makes no sense...

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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Oh the ads. I cannot underestimate the annoyance it has caused to viewers. Seeing the numerous memes making fun of those asset flip adware turned "games" makes me die a little inside. Now I actively push my normie friends to install uBlock Origin on their devices. And Vanced or NewPipe when it worked.

You could just pay for youtube premium?

No dark pattern there.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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post #116

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Same experience here. I have to actively curate them by removing some one-off dumb videos from my watch history, but my YouTube recommendations are by far extremely high quality. Youtube is the only service I know of that has actually achieved working content recommendations for me. My Watch Later has hundreds of hours of content from things that I definitely want to watch but I'm either not yet in the mood for or to…

+1 for cleaning up the watch history. It's pretty nice that youtube let's you edit that and doesn't use a "full history" to train the recommendation algorithm. I try to be careful and always use private browsing when opening "suspicious" videos, but every now and then, one slips and taints my recommendation. OTOH, with a clean history, I barely subscribe to channels, since new videos usually end up in the recommendat…

"OTOH" = On the other hand.

For those that, like me, hadn't seen this one before ^_^

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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post #116

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+1 for cleaning up the watch history. It's pretty nice that youtube let's you edit that and doesn't use a "full history" to train the recommendation algorithm. I try to be careful and always use private browsing when opening "suspicious" videos, but every now and then, one slips and taints my recommendation. OTOH, with a clean history, I barely subscribe to channels, since new videos usually end up in the recommendat…

How do you clean up your watch history?

Go to "History" in your sidebar: https://www.youtube.com/feed/history

You can individually remove videos by clicking on Delete (at least on desktop).

You can also pause your watch history (eg. for some guest browsing) or clear it entirely (if you want to start from scratch).

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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For me YouTube recommendations are not toxic, they are so amazing I some times wonder how comes the world around is not heaven when everybody has free access to this. That's because I always watch high-quality educational content and some beautiful comforting and inspiring music. So for me YouTube is a fountain of knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics etc. Every day I get inspiration, healthy kind of fun and learn…

YouTube recommended me Kate Bush's "Wuthering Heights". Treasure.

Check out Angra's cover of the same song. Great track.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

#179

Yes they are. They are the drug pushers of the modern era and the harder the drug the harder it pushes you Sure, it works fine for "normal" content. That's fine. But for "divisive" stuff it's like having someone trying to push you off road at every moment

I prefer the word dope peddlers, as in dopamine. It's not technically accurate but I like the impression it gives.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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I just find them to be dumb. 50% of my recommendations are videos I've already watched.

I wouldn't mind this as much if YouTube were better about indicating which ones you've watched. In theory you can just look for the little red bar under the thumbnail but they seem to "forget" after a while.

This makes it tricky to go through the backlog of a channel's content without watching it all in order. Sure, at first any random video will be new to you, but eventually you will start seeing more and more repeats, forcing you to start choosing videos more methodically from the videos page. Even then, it's tricky when the ones you've seen are not always marked consistently.

It doesn't seem like too much data to story for a company that offers gigs of free email.

(And no, I don't have a auto-deletion policy set up, I just double-checked)

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