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‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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What I hate is, it's orders of magnitude more toxic for kids. Hyper-amplification of bad recommendations.

For sure, Youtube's (bad) impact on current generation children will be felt (in a bad way) for many upcoming generations to come. At this point, it's literally technology gone rogue.

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For me YouTube recommendations are not toxic, they are so amazing I some times wonder how comes the world around is not heaven when everybody has free access to this. That's because I always watch high-quality educational content and some beautiful comforting and inspiring music. So for me YouTube is a fountain of knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics etc. Every day I get inspiration, healthy kind of fun and learn…

It reminds me of the "Kill your TV" stickers in the 90s. Obviously plenty of people wasted huge amounts of time watching garbage. On the other hand you could watch NOVA and Ken Burns.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

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post #153

For me YouTube recommendations are not toxic, they are so amazing I some times wonder how comes the world around is not heaven when everybody has free access to this. That's because I always watch high-quality educational content and some beautiful comforting and inspiring music. So for me YouTube is a fountain of knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics etc. Every day I get inspiration, healthy kind of fun and learn…

When I watch junk on YouTube I need to open the link using Chrome's incognito mode. When are companies going to give us more control over what inputs we give their recommendation algorithms? There should be a button that says "hey, I'm going to watch this because I'm only human, but please, don't show this junk to me". Or, "hey, I understand this content creator has thousands of videos and uploads content daily, but,…

> When are companies going to give us more control over what inputs we give their recommendation algorithms?

My guess is that they'll never do this, because they want you to go bad and watch as much of that junk as possible.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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post #90

The recommendations are now almost completely inescapable if you want to continue using their service. They recently did away with email notifications for new content [1] and now the RSS export feature for subscriptions has been removed [2]. I refuse to interface with their algorithm, so I've begun hunting down alternative video hosts and the personal sites of the creators I can find and am preparing to leave their p…

I turn off YouTube watch history and use the "subscriptions" page exclusively. https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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For me YouTube recommendations are not toxic, they are so amazing I some times wonder how comes the world around is not heaven when everybody has free access to this. That's because I always watch high-quality educational content and some beautiful comforting and inspiring music. So for me YouTube is a fountain of knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics etc. Every day I get inspiration, healthy kind of fun and learn…

Exactly this. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I don't think you should avoid signing in, when you see something you don't like just mark it as such and the algorithm seems to be pretty good at filtering in the future.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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For me YouTube recommendations are not toxic, they are so amazing I some times wonder how comes the world around is not heaven when everybody has free access to this. That's because I always watch high-quality educational content and some beautiful comforting and inspiring music. So for me YouTube is a fountain of knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics etc. Every day I get inspiration, healthy kind of fun and learn…

> That's why I recommend to avoid signing-in into YouTube. Better watch anonymously so you can always clean the cookies and get out of the pit. There definitely needs to be a "reset" button on these services, or at least a better way for your to actively monitor your algorithmically-determined interests and give feedback (I swear, you watch one SNL video...). Another poster in the thread said you can do this by editi…

You can also click the three dots icon next to the video thumbnail of recommendations and select "Not interested"

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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YT algorithm is great for me. I learn a ton about: woodworking, violin technique, folk music, StarCraft, math, coding, home improvement, DIY projects, etc. What is toxic is the viral ideology that infects the mind of many, many humans. We need education and social interaction to counterbalance the anti-truth conspiracy infection that social media is spreading.

> We need education and social interaction to counterbalance the anti-truth conspiracy infection that social media is spreading.

The problem is, this will not (ever) work. Most people are mentally and/or physically exhausted after a long day of work, they don't have the mental firewalls to protect themselves against "cheap and easy" proposals (like, for example, to "build a wall").

I see conspiracy crap like cigarettes: even though everyone should know for decades now that smoking kills, the only way to effectively get rid of cigarettes is to ban their marketing and make them expensive. Going after the vendors is what must be done. And if that includes jailing the worst offenders, be it.

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For me YouTube recommendations are not toxic, they are so amazing I some times wonder how comes the world around is not heaven when everybody has free access to this. That's because I always watch high-quality educational content and some beautiful comforting and inspiring music. So for me YouTube is a fountain of knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics etc. Every day I get inspiration, healthy kind of fun and learn…

YouTube recommended me Kate Bush's "Wuthering Heights". Treasure.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same experience here. I have to actively curate them by removing some one-off dumb videos from my watch history, but my YouTube recommendations are by far extremely high quality. Youtube is the only service I know of that has actually achieved working content recommendations for me. My Watch Later has hundreds of hours of content from things that I definitely want to watch but I'm either not yet in the mood for or to…

+1 for cleaning up the watch history. It's pretty nice that youtube let's you edit that and doesn't use a "full history" to train the recommendation algorithm. I try to be careful and always use private browsing when opening "suspicious" videos, but every now and then, one slips and taints my recommendation. OTOH, with a clean history, I barely subscribe to channels, since new videos usually end up in the recommendat…

How do you clean up your watch history?

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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For me YouTube recommendations are not toxic, they are so amazing I some times wonder how comes the world around is not heaven when everybody has free access to this. That's because I always watch high-quality educational content and some beautiful comforting and inspiring music. So for me YouTube is a fountain of knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics etc. Every day I get inspiration, healthy kind of fun and learn…

Same. I had the good fortune to have my laptop (and youtube account) used as the communal music playing device for about a year in a household with really good music taste. Consequently my YouTube suggestions are excellent (much, much better than Spotify).
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