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Re: Hell Yes CSS

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Post by josephg »

brodie wrote: post #20
bartvk wrote: post #15

Just a question as a non native speaker. Is the "hell yes" in the title considered slightly offensive? On par with "Damn LLVM" or something?

Your elementary school teacher would give you dirty looks if you said it, but your teenaged and adult friends would give you high fives and "hell yeahs" right back.

It also depends on where you are.

Here in Australia, hell / damn aren't considered bad words. I think americans have a perception that australians swear a lot. We do - but also, a lot of what my american coworkers considered swearing doesn't register as swearing in my head.

Here in australia (at least how I was raised), "hell" is just a word.

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Post by varrock »

wpietri wrote: post #5
Santosh83 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you explain what you mean by CSS not being as traditional an experience? Compared to what? Agree with the rest of your comment...

Programming, I'm guessing. Page layout was its own weird world even before HTML came along, and the explosion of devices and use cases has made the domain much weirder. Put 25 years of CSS evolution on top of that and it's very much its own beast. As somebody who's done mostly back-end work lately, whenever I approach CSS it's one WTF after another. I keep hearing that it has settled down, though, so I am looking for…

My biggest tip of advice for anyone dipping into CSS is to focus on _why_ CSS is behaving the way it is instead of memorizing the different properties and selectors. Some principles in CSS won't ever go away, and they will even explain how the newer features that "settled down" CSS work and make then even easier to use.

Re: Hell Yes CSS

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Post by pault »

tsujp wrote: post #16
pineconewarrior wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also use grid and the place-content shorthand! These things are getting better. CSS was a nightmare in the 2000s.

Grid is nice but overused in my opinion. However, at the end of the day whatever gets the job done and is sane is a valid solution in my eyes but I prefer to think of grid as anything requiring centering on two-axis and/or macroscopic to the task at hand. So for instance I would do the responsive page layout in grid, probably. Then I would do positioning the elements within a article or section with flexbox.

This is the intended use of grid and flexbox for sure. Unfortunately most developers seem to abuse either one or the other.

Re: Hell Yes CSS

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Post by petre »

Wow! A perfect example of thinking outside the box and a fresh new perspective on technical documentation. This is just one reason why we need more talented women in tech.

Re: Hell Yes CSS

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Post by yashap »

So, I’m an experienced backend dev, who only occasionally dabbles in frontend. And whenever I do, my CSS experience is basically: https://media1.giphy.com/media/13FrpeVH09Zrb2/giphy.gif

I’d like to fix that, and learn CSS well. I’m not looking for a quick zine like this, more of an in-depth course, say roughly 5-10 hrs. Ideally free, but I’d pay if it’s good. Anyone have any favourites?

Re: Hell Yes CSS

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Post by varrock »

yashap wrote: post #25

So, I’m an experienced backend dev, who only occasionally dabbles in frontend. And whenever I do, my CSS experience is basically: https://media1.giphy.com/media/13FrpeVH09Zrb2/giphy.gif I’d like to fix that, and learn CSS well. I’m not looking for a quick zine like this, more of an in-depth course, say roughly 5-10 hrs. Ideally free, but I’d pay if it’s good. Anyone have any favourites?

I know you asked for a course, but I cannot recommend MDN's Learn CSS section enough [0]. It's long, but it was the only resource that got me over my CSS imposter syndrome. They go over so many great principles and have wonderful examples. I'm a huge advocate of tutorial videos, so I was surprised at how helpful I found their documentation.

[0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS

Re: Hell Yes CSS

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Post by archarios »

yashap wrote: post #25

So, I’m an experienced backend dev, who only occasionally dabbles in frontend. And whenever I do, my CSS experience is basically: https://media1.giphy.com/media/13FrpeVH09Zrb2/giphy.gif I’d like to fix that, and learn CSS well. I’m not looking for a quick zine like this, more of an in-depth course, say roughly 5-10 hrs. Ideally free, but I’d pay if it’s good. Anyone have any favourites?

Yo, with Flexbox and CSS grid frontend styling is liek nbd anymore. I've been doing frontend for a while now tho so I might be biased..

Re: Hell Yes CSS

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Post by cheshire_cat »

yashap wrote: post #25

So, I’m an experienced backend dev, who only occasionally dabbles in frontend. And whenever I do, my CSS experience is basically: https://media1.giphy.com/media/13FrpeVH09Zrb2/giphy.gif I’d like to fix that, and learn CSS well. I’m not looking for a quick zine like this, more of an in-depth course, say roughly 5-10 hrs. Ideally free, but I’d pay if it’s good. Anyone have any favourites?

Someone else recommended https://every-layout.dev/ last week in another thread. Not sure how in-depth it is, since I haven't bought it (yet).

Re: Hell Yes CSS

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Post by tephra »

tachyonbeam wrote: post #14
gscott wrote: post #12

I paid $60 to a guy on Fiverr to do css for me just a few days ago. I should have been able to do it myself but after fooling with it for awhile I gave up.

I'm sure someone will come and say they disagree, but I find CSS extremely unintuitive as well. The primitives it has compose very poorly. There are too many ways to do the same thing, each with their own weird quirks. Sometimes it's really hard to get it to render something simple. I mean... Just centering something on the screen is needlessly complicated. I wish CSS was more like a programming language, with a mini…

I agree with your comment mostly but just to note that it is no longer complicated to center things.

.centered { display: flex; justify-content: center; align-items: center; }

Indeed there are two (at least) more ways to both horizontally and vertically center something (using CSS Grid and the good old translate(-50%, -50%)) and with flex I always have a hard time remembering if it is justify-items or justify-content..

Re: Hell Yes CSS

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Post by archarios »

archarios wrote: post #27
yashap wrote: post #25

So, I’m an experienced backend dev, who only occasionally dabbles in frontend. And whenever I do, my CSS experience is basically: https://media1.giphy.com/media/13FrpeVH09Zrb2/giphy.gif I’d like to fix that, and learn CSS well. I’m not looking for a quick zine like this, more of an in-depth course, say roughly 5-10 hrs. Ideally free, but I’d pay if it’s good. Anyone have any favourites?

Yo, with Flexbox and CSS grid frontend styling is liek nbd anymore. I've been doing frontend for a while now tho so I might be biased..

I guess the trickiest thing still is some layout stuff that isn't covered by ^ and usually when I'm dealing with that kind of stuff I use https://learnlayout.com/ as a reference
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