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How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Post by naikrovek »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #102
naikrovek wrote: post #77

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> It is not "an insight a child would have". Are you sure? Children listen to janitors just as much as they listen to anyone else. One's job doesn't matter to a child; they know they can learn from anyone. Very few CEOs know this. Hell, very few ADULTS know this. I didn't intend "an insight a child would have" to mean that such an idea is a basic thing everyone knows, I literally meant "an inside a child would have."

Children will also chase a ball into a busy street, or eat candy for every meal if given the chance. Maybe there's a virtue to knowing which childlike behaviors are worth keeping.

Again, I am not commenting on the general skill of a child...

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Post by ojbyrne »

stan_rogers wrote: post #189
OJFord wrote: post #180

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I'm confused now - the Ontario international airport is in California? (As opposed to Ontario, Canada; both of course confusingly abbreviated 'CA'.) https://www.flyontario.com/ Yep, yes it is. Not confusing at all..! (To be fair I've tried to check in to a hotel on Newmarket Rd, Cambridge for a booking in Newmarket, North of Cambridge; which was at least wrong with reference to the same Cambridge UK and not Cambridge…

Ontario, the province, is freaking huge (and, as these things go in Canada, populous). An "Ontario Airport" would make no sense at all.

I love that there are 2 Ontario, CA. And I love that Los Angeles could also be described as “freaking huge.”I have driven across both Ontarios so I realize it’s a different order of magnitude.

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Post by baron816 »

babyshake wrote: post #210
baron816 wrote: post #196

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The US has a lot more immigrants from Latin America living here than it did back then. Plus, unemployment is lower (even with the pandemic). I would rather have 1 million people making $12/hr and 0 unemployed and in poverty than 650k people making $18/hr with 350k just shit out of luck. I can’t say the former is what we have, but with unions or tight labor market regulation, the later tends to be closer to what you g…

Fair wages and guaranteed jobs can both exist.

I agree. You can get full employment and a respectable standard of living floor through stuff like a negative income tax and universal health coverage. But making it illegal to work for what YOU consider a low wage and permitting labor cartels is counter productive.

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Post by googlryas »

triceratops wrote: post #202
googlryas wrote: post #127

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It only matters if you believe the meanings of words matter. When a woman is attributed negative stereotypes due to her gender in the workplace that disrupts her career, is that "racism"?

I love the meanings of words. I had a rather long exchange with someone on here a few weeks ago about the difference between "theft" and "robbery". In this case though, the meaning is kinda academic. If you don't get a job or an apartment because of unfair bias, would it make you feel better that it was due to negative stereotypes about your nationality or sex, rather than negative stereotypes about people with your…

Okay. Let's talk about the bigotry. Is there anything even bigoted in the original post? Would it be racist if an Indian person asked "Why do Americans love guns so much?" to the point of requiring a response chastising the questioner?

Different cultures manifest themselves in different behaviors among the individuals of the given culture. If it didn't, the concept of culture wouldn't exist. So what exactly is bigoted if one asks why culture X seems to be prone to telling a certain type of story? Is it also racist to say a lot of magical realism comes out of Colombian culture, and wonder why that is the case?

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Post by aplummer »

baron816 wrote: post #196
jasonhansel wrote: post #116

That's $18.52 an hour in today's dollars. The average pay for a janitor today is closer to $12 an hour. In fact, just a few years after 1976, janitors' wages (at least in LA) started falling sharply below the cost of living: https://socialjusticehistory.org/lalabor/workingla/archives/... The fact that our economic system worked for him does not mean that it works for the vast majority of people in similar jobs. It's…

The US has a lot more immigrants from Latin America living here than it did back then. Plus, unemployment is lower (even with the pandemic). I would rather have 1 million people making $12/hr and 0 unemployed and in poverty than 650k people making $18/hr with 350k just shit out of luck. I can’t say the former is what we have, but with unions or tight labor market regulation, the later tends to be closer to what you g…

> I can’t say the former is what we have, but with unions or tight labor market regulation, the later tends to be closer to what you get.

This is a big claim without any evidence. Given the minimum wages in other western countries are proportionally much higher with no negative consequences AFAIK, do you have any evidence that the richest average income country could not have a higher minimum wage?

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Post by 7thaccount »

NDizzle wrote: post #62
Someone wrote: post #7

Great story, but it can’t happen today. No janitor works for the company whose floors he’s mopping anymore, so janitors wouldn’t get that company-wide email.

Are you implying that companies outsource all of the janitorial duties now? I'm in Arkansas, so crack all the jokes you want, but the big places that produce a lot of food (McKee comes to mind - Little Debbie) staff their own positions. https://mckee.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/mckee/jobs So, in other words, yeah, you could be a janitor and potentially propose a new Little Debbie snack right now. That particular dream is s…

I work for a decent sized company in AR as well. Janitorial and Security are both outsourced. I always assumed for both cost and liability.

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Post by triceratops »

googlryas wrote: post #215
triceratops wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the meanings of words. I had a rather long exchange with someone on here a few weeks ago about the difference between "theft" and "robbery". In this case though, the meaning is kinda academic. If you don't get a job or an apartment because of unfair bias, would it make you feel better that it was due to negative stereotypes about your nationality or sex, rather than negative stereotypes about people with your…

Okay. Let's talk about the bigotry. Is there anything even bigoted in the original post? Would it be racist if an Indian person asked "Why do Americans love guns so much?" to the point of requiring a response chastising the questioner? Different cultures manifest themselves in different behaviors among the individuals of the given culture. If it didn't, the concept of culture wouldn't exist. So what exactly is bigote…

The original post is flagged, so I can't read it. From the surrounding discussion I surmised that the original post made some sort of negative-sounding sweeping generalization about Indians, or at least phrased it in a bad way.

I'm not here to talk about the original post though. I'm specifically objecting to the "X isn't a race hur dur" meme because it derails discussion of the issue at hand without being constructive.

Neither of the things you mentioned about Americans or Colombians are negative or positive stereotypes - I see them as neutral. So those questions aren't bigoted by themselves, IMO. But there are ways to phrase those questions that would make you sound bigoted against Americans or Colombians. (No I don't care to try to give an example).

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Post by amznthrwaway »

baron816 wrote: post #213
babyshake wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair wages and guaranteed jobs can both exist.

I agree. You can get full employment and a respectable standard of living floor through stuff like a negative income tax and universal health coverage. But making it illegal to work for what YOU consider a low wage and permitting labor cartels is counter productive.

We get it: you like abusive corporate behaviors and convince yourself of falsehoods to justify the abuse that you adore.

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Post by acover »

baron816 wrote: post #213
babyshake wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair wages and guaranteed jobs can both exist.

I agree. You can get full employment and a respectable standard of living floor through stuff like a negative income tax and universal health coverage. But making it illegal to work for what YOU consider a low wage and permitting labor cartels is counter productive.

When bargaining with a monopoly or oligopoly, don't unions just put workers on an even footing?

Market forces leave out every human factor. Unions add it back in.

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