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What if incomes grew like GDP?

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Re: What if incomes grew like GDP?

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I always like to say that we live in an exponential meritocracy , where your accumulated merit enhances your ability to accumulate more merit, eventually resulting in a small minority rapidly pulling ahead of the pack. Goes with the old adage: turning $100 into $120 is work; turning $100 million into $120 million is inevitable. Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function.

The exponential part ceases to be merit in any sense. It's quite arbitrary.

Re: What if incomes grew like GDP?

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I always like to say that we live in an exponential meritocracy , where your accumulated merit enhances your ability to accumulate more merit, eventually resulting in a small minority rapidly pulling ahead of the pack. Goes with the old adage: turning $100 into $120 is work; turning $100 million into $120 million is inevitable. Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function.

It doesn't need to be that complicated. Just increase taxes on the ultra wealthy to restore some semblance of equality. it doesn't need to be communist russia. Just a little more money going around.

The ultra rich don't pay the current tax rate, why would raising a tax they don't pay have any effect?

Until there's an aggressive international agreement on closing tax loopholes, raising the taxes only impacts the barely-rich (doctors, lawyers, etc).

Re: What if incomes grew like GDP?

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I always like to say that we live in an exponential meritocracy , where your accumulated merit enhances your ability to accumulate more merit, eventually resulting in a small minority rapidly pulling ahead of the pack. Goes with the old adage: turning $100 into $120 is work; turning $100 million into $120 million is inevitable. Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function.

>Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function. So basically, some way to prevent wealth from being passed across generations?

Neither Gates, nor Jobs, nor Zuckerberg, nor Bezos, nor Musk inherited their billions. At best they inherited access to the social circles of their parents, and maybe paid-for education (too lazy to check). Knowing the right people is not something you can, or want, to limit or forbid.

Should anyone suggest to prevent passing as much as, say, $100k to your child (an approximate price of a university tuition), said anyone will see a massive push back from basically all strata of the society.

Re: What if incomes grew like GDP?

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I always like to say that we live in an exponential meritocracy , where your accumulated merit enhances your ability to accumulate more merit, eventually resulting in a small minority rapidly pulling ahead of the pack. Goes with the old adage: turning $100 into $120 is work; turning $100 million into $120 million is inevitable. Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function.

>Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function. So basically, some way to prevent wealth from being passed across generations?

> So basically, some way to prevent wealth from being passed across generations?

That wouldn't help much. The children of the wealthy benefit from connections obtained while their parents are still alive. They receive a head start from birth. By the time they are in line to receive an inheritance, they have already had more opportunities for success than the general public.

Re: What if incomes grew like GDP?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function. So basically, some way to prevent wealth from being passed across generations?

> So basically, some way to prevent wealth from being passed across generations? That wouldn't help much. The children of the wealthy benefit from connections obtained while their parents are still alive. They receive a head start from birth. By the time they are in line to receive an inheritance, they have already had more opportunities for success than the general public.

Your first sentence does not follow from your argumentation.

Re: What if incomes grew like GDP?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function. So basically, some way to prevent wealth from being passed across generations?

Neither Gates, nor Jobs, nor Zuckerberg, nor Bezos, nor Musk inherited their billions. At best they inherited access to the social circles of their parents, and maybe paid-for education (too lazy to check). Knowing the right people is not something you can, or want, to limit or forbid. Should anyone suggest to prevent passing as much as, say, $100k to your child (an approximate price of a university tuition), said an…

Yeah, but they benefited from a system that coerces people to trade their labor for less than it is worth.

Zuckerberg is worth >3x the annual income of all surgeons in the US. It is implausible that his net worth reflects his replacement cost. Even PG has said (to Zuckerberg) that if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else.

Re: What if incomes grew like GDP?

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I always like to say that we live in an exponential meritocracy , where your accumulated merit enhances your ability to accumulate more merit, eventually resulting in a small minority rapidly pulling ahead of the pack. Goes with the old adage: turning $100 into $120 is work; turning $100 million into $120 million is inevitable. Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function.

It doesn't need to be that complicated. Just increase taxes on the ultra wealthy to restore some semblance of equality. it doesn't need to be communist russia. Just a little more money going around.

Question: what do you think about a tax rate determined by wealth, rather than the first derivative of wealth (i.e. income)? When a person whose net worth is $10,000 earns $5,000, should they be taxed the same way a person whose net worth is $1000,000,000 earns $5,000 is taxed?

Re: What if incomes grew like GDP?

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I always like to say that we live in an exponential meritocracy , where your accumulated merit enhances your ability to accumulate more merit, eventually resulting in a small minority rapidly pulling ahead of the pack. Goes with the old adage: turning $100 into $120 is work; turning $100 million into $120 million is inevitable. Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function.

"The rate of return you get on your capital increase as your capital increases" is the most interesting thing I've gotten from Piketty's book, and it's definitely been true for me.

Re: What if incomes grew like GDP?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Perhaps we need a linear meritocratic function. So basically, some way to prevent wealth from being passed across generations?

Neither Gates, nor Jobs, nor Zuckerberg, nor Bezos, nor Musk inherited their billions. At best they inherited access to the social circles of their parents, and maybe paid-for education (too lazy to check). Knowing the right people is not something you can, or want, to limit or forbid. Should anyone suggest to prevent passing as much as, say, $100k to your child (an approximate price of a university tuition), said an…

Your point is truthful but not completely relevant: Bezos, at least, did receive a considerable amount of money as funding for Amazon from his family. My point is that the money received from parents most often is, in fact, an advantage. Now that I wrote it down explicitly, I wonder why is it that I have to argue this, seems quite obvious.

(Note: I'm not saying the funding from parents was sufficient, or even necessary in Bezos' case.)

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