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Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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This advice will almost certainly result in no deal and leave all parties worse off. Instead, I would have an open, honest conversation, listen from a place of empathy and generosity and seek a compromise. The truth is, unless your cofounder has the right to terminate your employment, then continue working and try to create as much harmony as possible. Co-founder disputes are awful and usually result in the death of…

Well no, fuck them. If the choice is to get some crumbs of a cake I was vital in baking or to throw the whole cake, I'd throw it unless I was starving otherwise! It is not a good move to let someone get away with something like this. Also, it will mark you as a pushover in future endeavors with other people, should they get wind of what happened there. Do not let anyone get away with that kind of antisocial behavior,…

Parent posters point is that the battle for control will end up being so toxic it will fuck the cake.

Which seems like a valid concern.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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Well no, fuck them. If the choice is to get some crumbs of a cake I was vital in baking or to throw the whole cake, I'd throw it unless I was starving otherwise! It is not a good move to let someone get away with something like this. Also, it will mark you as a pushover in future endeavors with other people, should they get wind of what happened there. Do not let anyone get away with that kind of antisocial behavior,…

Parent posters point is that the battle for control will end up being so toxic it will fuck the cake. Which seems like a valid concern.

There's a worse outcome: the technical cofounder might be wrong, might actually be entitled to zero, might spend months and thousands of dollars fighting for something they're not entitled to legally, even if they are morally, and might end up in the hole.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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> There are all kinds of ways NTF can reduce/destroy NTF's equity What are those ways? The only sane thing is to go and talk to lawyers. In what world is it going to be the best option to let yourself be used and abused?

NTF and investor can simply issue more shares under any number of arrangements; cap tables are not written in stone. If they have a hard time, they might also start a new company, and liquidate all the assets from the current company. Every ongoing business arrangement relies on goodwill and intent to survive, like any other relationship. Consulting a lawyer with expertise in the area may be a good idea, but the best…

If there are other employees, wouldn't this require firing all of them and invalidating their equity?

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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I'm going to go against the grain here and say that you shouldn't make decisions based on what random people on the internet say. By all means read all the replies but the best course of action is to seek professional counsel and guidance from an attorney. You may or may not have to go through a legal battle to get your share. You should document everything as soon as you can, text messages and emails. The more paper…

This is the correct guidance.

Nobody here is informed enough on the details to provide strategic advice.

I had something very similar happen to me, and am happy to share my learnings on managing health and emotions through this process.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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Tell him that you would sue if you are forced into any decision. You have built this with your sweat and blood. Do not give up. If anyone has to leave, he should. Go to investors and tell them you would sue if forced into this kind of blackmail. And no empty threats. Please lawyer up

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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If there's a pattern it's one thing. But for a single event when it's hard for an outsider to figure out who was in the right and who was in the wrong, it's probably easier just to avoid both of them.

I'm 100% avoiding on principle ever working with a founder who ruthlessly terminated a partner in month 11 of a cliff without simply accelerating the cliff, so there's not much need to litigate that point.

But how do you find out?

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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I'm 100% avoiding on principle ever working with a founder who ruthlessly terminated a partner in month 11 of a cliff without simply accelerating the cliff, so there's not much need to litigate that point.

But how do you find out?

You check references.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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Well no, fuck them. If the choice is to get some crumbs of a cake I was vital in baking or to throw the whole cake, I'd throw it unless I was starving otherwise! It is not a good move to let someone get away with something like this. Also, it will mark you as a pushover in future endeavors with other people, should they get wind of what happened there. Do not let anyone get away with that kind of antisocial behavior,…

Parent posters point is that the battle for control will end up being so toxic it will fuck the cake. Which seems like a valid concern.

so be it. He either gets to eat the cake equally or no one does. Not the bastard who doesn't even know how to make the bloody cake
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