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How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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At least a picker at Amazon works for the same company as the CEO. Most jobs at that level would be contracted out.

In the UK, at least, Amazon hires temps via an agency. Source: I work there for the agency (since I can't find a job... thanks to the Gov response to COVID!)

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> As for CEO being well paid, it is simply because their decisions can make the company lose or earn a lot of money. CEO pay has risen over 900% over the last forty years: * https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ceos-are-paid-278-times-mo... Somehow I don't see the value that they bring to have increased by the same amount. From a Harvard study entitled "Are CEOs Rewarded for Luck? The Ones Without Principals Are": > CEO…

CEO pay has risen over 900% over the last forty years: No, pay for the CEOs of the 350 largest companies has risen over 900%. Said 350 largest companies have also grown dramatically; "CEO of the 50th largest company in 2020" (Procter & Gamble, $67B revenue) is a much bigger job than "CEO of the 100th largest company in 1980" (General Foods, $5.4B revenue).

The end result of mass centralization of industries with plenty of political backing for mega-corps and the hackery of the massive finance industry. Meanwhile new small business registration numbers have been declining in the US.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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> paraphrasing That’s a generous way to say plagiarism IMO. Link should probably be updated to this (@dang?). Plus it avoids the abomination that is long form text mutilated into a thousand tweets.

Especially since on Twitter it could be summarised as "Janitor introduced flaming cheetos to CEO and it made the company xxx dollars".. God damn attention-seeking content-stealing Twitterers..

Information arbitrage is one helluva social media drug.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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More importantly he had time to learn about the business. How much time does a picker at Amazon have to think about the business ?

At least a picker at Amazon works for the same company as the CEO. Most jobs at that level would be contracted out.

Why do I get the feeling that if a janitor (outsourced or not) emailed Bezos with an idea, he'd be fired, threatened with lawyers for stealing Amazon business process IP until he signed away any IP rights, and then maybe Amazon would roll it out without crediting him?

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Lovely story and kudos to both Montanez (the janitor) and the company for their success but I can't help notice a bit of survivorship bias in these kind of stories. How many thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of such ideas come to people at all levels in all companies and how many turn out to be duds is never covered. Although the story made me feel good, I can't really draw any lessons from it I'm afraid.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Lovely story and kudos to both Montanez (the janitor) and the company for their success but I can't help notice a bit of survivorship bias in these kind of stories. How many thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of such ideas come to people at all levels in all companies and how many turn out to be duds is never covered. Although the story made me feel good, I can't really draw any lessons from it I'm afraid.

I think the lesson is that if you take the chance, then there is a chance. If you don't take the chance, then there is no chance.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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> So Montañez assembled a small team of family members and friends, went to the test markets, and bought every bag of Hot Cheetos he could find.

Well, that would certainly make them sell better, but doesn't exactly make it an accurate test? I think I've heard of other companies doing this, although usually it's to inflate revenue and growth numbers pitching to investors or space in stores. I want to say some company did this recently but I can't remember exactly who.

But don't get me wrong, I love me some flaming hot cheetos and it's a great feeling story. Although I also remember the Wire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyg_v7Vxo4A

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Richard Montañez has all my admiration for what he achieved. This is a beautiful story. Unfortunately, those kinds of stories also play into the narrative: be a good model employee, make sure the floors shine and trust that hard work, and great ideas will make you deservedly insanely rich. Because there are smart CEOs who will see all of that Cinderella, capitalist version. Too rare to be significant as a policy. Mos…

100% absolutely true. I respect Richard for what he did and how he has viewed things, but I am much more cynical about the world. This is likely a small exception out of hundreds of thousands of times that "the janitor" got completely screwed over, if they were even given a chance to begin with.

I mean, it happens on the daily. The startup I previously worked for had this "test" API, I helped turn it into an essential API that brought the company a ton of money, and I saw 0 of it. My title got bumped, I guess.

And now, I work on something even less visible. If I do something at work that saves thousands of my coworkers thousands of hours a quarter, I don't see any of that. Nor can I show it, because the higher-up management people don't know what a Jenkins is or what an Artifactory is. How do I sweep these "floors" so well that the CEO can see any of it? Even the coworkers that use my stuff directly don't give a shit because they have code to write and my improvements save them ~20 minutes a day every other day or two.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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This is a really nice story, but you know who the other hero is? The CEO who gave him the time and the opportunity. He could've easily told him to fuck off, as many would do. Who was he, what's his name? More often than not, we get nowhere without people in better positions helping us, it would be great if more people would keep an open mind like that. That CEO deserves recognition. And if you manage to climb higher…

I agree and was very fortunate to meet such a guy right out of college where I was studying Recording INdustry. All our teachers said good luck getting a job and I was only three out 60 that I heard got a job out of college in the field. Once I moved from Nashville to NYC for my label job I met a ton of other men and women whom this same guy gave them a chance too. That's how his career started .. he met a label head…

Would love to hear more details about this.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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I actually came to post this. After noticing some weird terminology in the Twitter thread (I've never heard the term "Cucamonga Valley" used to refer to the neighborhood by Ontario International Airport) I found that hustle.co article which has very similar wording. I think the Twitter thread is just a paraphrasing with some jazzed up details

It’s weird but not wrong, the area he lived in is still there. Guasti, CA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guasti,_California

I'm confused now - the Ontario international airport is in California? (As opposed to Ontario, Canada; both of course confusingly abbreviated 'CA'.)

https://www.flyontario.com/

Yep, yes it is. Not confusing at all..! (To be fair I've tried to check in to a hotel on Newmarket Rd, Cambridge for a booking in Newmarket, North of Cambridge; which was at least wrong with reference to the same Cambridge UK and not Cambridge Mass. USA, but to do it with an international airport just seems particularly mean, especially when the ambiguity is on county/province/state (as you prefer to term it) level.)

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