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Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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People do a lot of things they shouldn't. Some of those things have heavier penalties than others. For example, speeding rarely renders one a quadriplegic.

Why's your reaction to ban the pedestrians from the street rather than banning the cars from the street?

Why's aren't you advocating to make roads safer?

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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I don't think I've ever seen an American strip mall without a wide sidewalk running in front of every business on the strip. The sidewalk is such an integral component of a strip mall, it sounds like what you're describing isn't a strip mall at all. And if people are so lazy that they drive around the parking lot instead of using the sidewalk, that reflects on them, not the sidewalk.

> And if people are so lazy that they drive around the parking lot instead of using the sidewalk, that reflects on them, not the sidewalk. I think this reflects a lot of comments, "American's are lazy" and "Look at this german punks walking and respecting traffic laws!" Is the argument US is just inherently lazy? Could there be something else at play? I think it's just that when a use case isn't a main focus of desig…

> Is the argument US is just inherently lazy?

If the shoe fits... I've seen too many young slightly chubby people coasting around on mobility scooters at Walmart instead of walking a few hundred meters to think laziness isn't a strong component to this sort of behavior.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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When an American friend explained it to me at uni I honestly thought they were trying to trick. It's just such an absurd concept, like how does anyone walk anywhere? Then I realised they don't.

Read many posts and what many folks are missing is the amount of space the US has... it takes more than 1 day of driving to get across Texas alone. Where I live there arent even roads being improved in many areas. You just drive across the dirt None of the countries folks are comparing have close to the amount of space to cover. Yes bigger metro areas are dense enough to have public transit... problem is most folks d…

How does this relate to jaywalking? Is there some correlation between acreage and risk to pedestrians? I'm confused.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Why's your reaction to ban the pedestrians from the street rather than banning the cars from the street?

Why's aren't you advocating to make roads safer?

I think banning cars from them, or limiting them more significantly, would make roads safer.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Great that you like it. Your health, and the world's, however, does not. Shame about that.

If your implication is that suburbia is a blite on mine and the globe's health.... [C I T A T I O N N E E D E D] I enjoy an hours walk with the dog daily, solid lifting program, about 20 miles a week of cardio, and a vegan diet. Doctor thinks I'm the picture of health.

I don't understand how you can be so oblivious, but maybe you really just don't get it. Let me spell it out for you: Suburbia means that every trip out of the house will require a car.

This is a not a living style that we can afford for everyone. Great that you enjoy it, but enabling it for everyone is simply unsustainable.

Right now you are offloading it's cost externalities elsewhere:

Cost on Your Health: More driving = less walking = decreased life-expectancy. More driving = more air polution = decreased life-expectancy

Cost on the planet: More driving = more greenhouse gases = global warming.

If you want to learn more: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/812199726/why-sprawl-could-be... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reducing-street-s...

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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We all agree with random DUI checks, right? They're pretty effective at scaring off DUI-attempts.

not quite sure if you're being sarcastic, as this is a fairly controversial topic. just for the record, my personal position is that the police should not be stopping or detaining anyone without at least reasonable suspicion that a crime is being or about to be committed. "effective at scaring people off from doing X" is not a sufficient justification.

I'm not being sarcastic. I understand that in the abstract, people talk about all sorts of situations that may or may not be grounded in reality. Which is why I point out real life situations and real life case.

I don't think I've ever met someone who has campaigned against random DUI checkpoints. You're not allowed to leave until you've completed the DUI-test at the checkpoint. There was no evidence for a crime. So under most definitions of "detained" or "detention", it seems to fit the bill.

I've heard that DUI measures can be too strict or that gaining a criminal record from DUIs is too harsh, but never really heard complaints about police enforcement of this particular issue. (DUI leading to jailtime is more of a judge / jury issue than a police officer issue anyway).

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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> And if people are so lazy that they drive around the parking lot instead of using the sidewalk, that reflects on them, not the sidewalk. I think this reflects a lot of comments, "American's are lazy" and "Look at this german punks walking and respecting traffic laws!" Is the argument US is just inherently lazy? Could there be something else at play? I think it's just that when a use case isn't a main focus of desig…

> Is the argument US is just inherently lazy? If the shoe fits... I've seen too many young slightly chubby people coasting around on mobility scooters at Walmart instead of walking a few hundred meters to think laziness isn't a strong component to this sort of behavior.

You're only thinking one level deep, what causes the laziness. My argument is US society actively encourages it on multiple levels starting from just the design of our cities.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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No, the argument only applies to "crimes" that are very commonly committed. It isn't a racist law in itself but it allows racism to flourish.

This, I don't get. It's quite common to point out the systemic racism in law enforcement when it comes to many common crimes. Why is it that people in this thread are speaking as if this can only be applied to jaywalking? It comes off as very dishonest. At some point, it made sense to enough people that jaywalking have a penalty that it was written into law, and it wasn't because a bunch of people agreed that it woul…

I think you're getting a bit confused. Nobody is saying that crimes like jaywalking were created for racists. The racism is an unexpected side effect.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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This site clearly doesn't want to, but you still have people like the GP and others here complaining. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If commenters here want sites to have the option to not deal with Europe, then they shouldn't also turn around and chide the sites for making that choice.

Note I’m not complaining; my comment was not sarcastic. This is a simple news website run by a nonprofit. Its data collection is probably limited to an off-the-shelf analytics solution.

You probably should have added that context in the original comment. It came off as quite sarcastic.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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If your implication is that suburbia is a blite on mine and the globe's health.... [C I T A T I O N N E E D E D] I enjoy an hours walk with the dog daily, solid lifting program, about 20 miles a week of cardio, and a vegan diet. Doctor thinks I'm the picture of health.

I don't understand how you can be so oblivious, but maybe you really just don't get it. Let me spell it out for you: Suburbia means that every trip out of the house will require a car. This is a not a living style that we can afford for everyone. Great that you enjoy it, but enabling it for everyone is simply unsustainable. Right now you are offloading it's cost externalities elsewhere: Cost on Your Health: More driv…

You make many terrible lifestyle assumptions and its insulting to me to call me 'oblivious' and frankly, it is unnecessary and below this forum.

More driving does not exclude a healthy walking routine.

More driving != equal more net green house gases. Yes the ICE generates greenhouse gases, but check out the carbon footprint of a battery supply chain for an EV sometime, or that of the MTA, MBTA, logistical supply chain of supplying the ENTIRE nyc 5 boroughs.

Bottom line, I'm willing to engage a deepdive discussion with critical eyes, not endure a superficial antisuburbia smear campaign while being namecalled.

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