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How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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It’s amazing that corporate America thinks it can’t hire a at all levels from the custodian to the CEO, but almost every school system and government can figure it out.

Or alternatively, they've "figured out" how not to hire people unrelated to their core business? What does Frito-Lay have to be gained from engaging in the janitorial business?

Isn't this entire story the answer to that question? Hiring employees who care and feel a sense of ownership pays off.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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> It’s amazing that corporate America thinks it can’t hire a at all levels (...) I don't believe that's the case at all. It's not like they believe they can't hire someone. That's a silly assumption. There is however the idea that there are operational advantages in outsourcing non-core areas of their business. If they hire a specialized contractor to do maintenance tasks then you no longer have to bother with gainin…

> There is however that there are operational advantages in outsourcing non-core areas of their business. If they hire a specialized contractor to do maintenance tasks then you no longer have to bother with gaining expertise in that area, and you can even scale up and down your service to meet demands. From what I've seen in practice, it's always about the outside "specialized contractor" breaking various labor laws…

This is a correlation that you've observed that is actually caused by a third variable: these are often low-wage and low-leverage positions. Easily replaceable, low wage employees are common victims of labor law violations regardless of whether they're contractors or not. Employees that are in no position to fight back often get screwed.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s amazing that corporate America thinks it can’t hire a at all levels from the custodian to the CEO, but almost every school system and government can figure it out.

Or alternatively, they've "figured out" how not to hire people unrelated to their core business? What does Frito-Lay have to be gained from engaging in the janitorial business?

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Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or alternatively, they've "figured out" how not to hire people unrelated to their core business? What does Frito-Lay have to be gained from engaging in the janitorial business?

Isn't this entire story the answer to that question? Hiring employees who care and feel a sense of ownership pays off.

The story is notable because it is not the norm.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Two things I haven't seen anyone mention that seem important: 1. For the one person who has "made it" economically, there are countless others that haven't, that still live in one-room houses. What about them? 2. I think it's worthwhile pointing out that the product that he created, while popular and financially successful, is a junk food that has a significant impact on the health of adults and children worldwide. W…

It’s sad to see that in the last 10 years this type of comment (tries to) ruin every single inspirational story. Just because there’s shit in the world doesn’t mean there isn’t beauty and greatness and awesomeness sometimes. In fact that’s what makes it wonderful. If you’re bitter and all you see is the shit, and resent any inspirational story, well, good luck to you but I definitely don’t think you’ll have a product…

I don't think the person to whom you're responding was trying to "ruin" anything, they were just pointing out a complicating fact that is objectively true, which is that Frito Lay is in the business of selling junk food. The inspirational part and the problematic part are both real things, and acknowledging one doesn't mean the other is unimportant.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Richard Montañez has all my admiration for what he achieved. This is a beautiful story. Unfortunately, those kinds of stories also play into the narrative: be a good model employee, make sure the floors shine and trust that hard work, and great ideas will make you deservedly insanely rich. Because there are smart CEOs who will see all of that Cinderella, capitalist version. Too rare to be significant as a policy. Mos…

It seems like these feel-good stories about benevolent capitalists get a little less traction now, although perhaps not in forums populated by the labor aristocracy.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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You can probably just keep the casual racism to yourself.

Hold up just a sec here. I’m not sure I that “Indian” is a “race” for any common definition of the word. It’s a nationality, but my my relatively uninformed perspective it appears that there are many ethnic and cultural groups that comprise it. More importantly, you seem to be attributing malice to the GP. They are noticing a cultural difference and asking for context. While their choice of phrasing may seem to some…

I agree asking about a cultural difference is fine, and I also think there's a way to do it, and that the top-level comment was way wide of that mark: it doesn't read like someone that wants to learn about a culture to me, it reads like someone glad of an opportunity to have a go.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Or alternatively, they've "figured out" how not to hire people unrelated to their core business? What does Frito-Lay have to be gained from engaging in the janitorial business?

Not paying the person in between? I worked at PepsiCo for a little and most of their job responsibilities weren’t unique to the product offering or business model.

A job that supports the core business is definitely not the same thing as a job unique to the product offering or business model.

e.g. food safety is something that is important to PepsiCo's business, yet they are far from the only business that needs food safety expertise. In contrast, they may also need potholes filled in the parking lot, but they may choose to hire outside help for this, because they do not do it enough to be good or efficient at it. Paying a middleman is often cheaper than hiring labor directly. Labor is the largest single cost for most businesses.

Re: How a janitor at Frito-Lay invented Flamin' Hot Cheetos (2017)

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Two things I haven't seen anyone mention that seem important: 1. For the one person who has "made it" economically, there are countless others that haven't, that still live in one-room houses. What about them? 2. I think it's worthwhile pointing out that the product that he created, while popular and financially successful, is a junk food that has a significant impact on the health of adults and children worldwide. W…

It’s sad to see that in the last 10 years this type of comment (tries to) ruin every single inspirational story. Just because there’s shit in the world doesn’t mean there isn’t beauty and greatness and awesomeness sometimes. In fact that’s what makes it wonderful. If you’re bitter and all you see is the shit, and resent any inspirational story, well, good luck to you but I definitely don’t think you’ll have a product…

Ooh! I'm happy to supply a feel-good story that is (as far as I can tell), unreservedly good: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200915-the-himalayan-in... "The Himalayan invention powered by pine needles"

TLDR: man and wife move to poor rural region of Indian, see wild fire problem caused by pine needles, invent a machine that turns pine needles into electricity and cooking fuel, employ villagers to pick up pine needles, deploy it to dozens of villages with help of the government and village entrepreneurs.

A success story that lifts people out of poverty with well-paying work, renewable electricity, and cooking fuel while cleaning up the environment in a scalable, decentralized, locally-suited way. Incredibly inspiring.

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