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Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by jjkaczor »

frereubu wrote: post #170
CyberDildonics wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You went to a school with professors and dismissed their final advice to you as "65+ above white wise men snobbery"? Which part of that is supposed to be a reasonable thing to say?

I read it as a self-deprecating dig at his / her younger self.

Exactly, it is kind of like Clarke's first law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws

Youth are always writing off the oldies - I did it, and now that I am old, I see it happening to me - and that is ok - we need that passion to shake things up, even if they end-up eerily similar to the way things were done before...

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by craftinator »

bzb6 wrote: post #138
sourc3 wrote: post #120

This is so exciting to see, especially for older folk like me. Almost 20 years ago, one of my professors told us before graduation that hot tech is mostly about the idea pendulum swinging back and forth. I immediately chalked it up to 65+ above white wise men snobbery. However, this is exactly that. We started with static pages, then came Ajax and Asp.net and the open source variants, then we went full SPA, now we ar…

Nice casual racism you threw in there.

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Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by vasachi »

jeroenhd wrote: post #146
vasachi wrote: post #130

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Huh? How does SPA help here? JSON payloads don't go faster over the wire than html.

JS interacting locally can make a web page be perceived to be faster, even if there's no meaningful content yet. Humans enjoy working with systems that so _something_ as soon as they interact with them and a placeholder/spinner/animation is that exact something. Of course, you don't want any placeholders or animations to go on for too long, but it's good to know that the button you just pressed actually did something…

Well, a spinner can be added even into non-SPA applications. So I don’t see how that is an argument for SPA.

I presume you can lie to user by pretending that their change was instantly submitted, while syncing in background. In that case, yes, SPA all the way.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by lekevicius »

banjomet wrote: post #171
sodapopcan wrote: post #79

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Livewire, of course, having been heavily inspired by Phoenix LiveView https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix_live_view/Phoenix.LiveView.html

How does Hotwire compare to Phoenix LiveView?

For one, LiveView doesn't send HTML over the WebSocket channel. It sends a highly optimized diff structure that is applied to HTML.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by fmakunbound »

sourc3 wrote: post #120

This is so exciting to see, especially for older folk like me. Almost 20 years ago, one of my professors told us before graduation that hot tech is mostly about the idea pendulum swinging back and forth. I immediately chalked it up to 65+ above white wise men snobbery. However, this is exactly that. We started with static pages, then came Ajax and Asp.net and the open source variants, then we went full SPA, now we ar…

I’m glad this technique is making a comeback. The last 10 years of JavaScript on the client have been an utter shit show that left me wondering wtf people were thinking.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by craftinator »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #167
sourc3 wrote: post #120

This is so exciting to see, especially for older folk like me. Almost 20 years ago, one of my professors told us before graduation that hot tech is mostly about the idea pendulum swinging back and forth. I immediately chalked it up to 65+ above white wise men snobbery. However, this is exactly that. We started with static pages, then came Ajax and Asp.net and the open source variants, then we went full SPA, now we ar…

You went to a school with professors and dismissed their final advice to you as "65+ above white wise men snobbery"? Which part of that is supposed to be a reasonable thing to say?

Lol so did I. Ageism is a thing, and it's everywhere. At least when you're young, you don't have the excuse of already having been in the other age class. That being said, several of my older professors were entirely full of snobby shit. The older I get, the more I see how they were not trying to impart knowledge, but to gain some kind of status as "hard-ass" old men with the younger generation.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by corytheboyd »

save_ferris wrote: post #22
city41 wrote: post #12

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I found this little thread on Twitter interesting, complaining Hey (powered by hotwire) is too slow https://twitter.com/youyuxi/status/1337851036015480843

I got into the Hey beta, wound up purchasing it and I haven't had any performance issues to speak of. I'm curious to know what their setup is.

It never performed slowly for me. It ended up having none of the features I wanted, but that’s a different concern altogether. Definitely rode the hype train and feel dumb about it now haha

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by nine_k »

sourc3 wrote: post #120

This is so exciting to see, especially for older folk like me. Almost 20 years ago, one of my professors told us before graduation that hot tech is mostly about the idea pendulum swinging back and forth. I immediately chalked it up to 65+ above white wise men snobbery. However, this is exactly that. We started with static pages, then came Ajax and Asp.net and the open source variants, then we went full SPA, now we ar…

Indeed, this is exactly how web chats worked in late 1990s, except for the use of WebSocket (they used infinite load instead). They even seem to revive frames, another staple of 1990s design!
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