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Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by banjomet »

sodapopcan wrote: post #79
llimos wrote: post #15

It sounds a lot like Laravel Livewire[1] Also a lot like React Server Components that we saw on HN yesterday[2] It seems like this is the next wave of web apps. Hopefully once the hype settles, we'll be able to decide which approach is best for which project. [1] https://laravel-livewire.com/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25497065

Livewire, of course, having been heavily inspired by Phoenix LiveView https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix_live_view/Phoenix.LiveView.html

How does Hotwire compare to Phoenix LiveView?

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by shadowgovt »

sourc3 wrote: post #120

This is so exciting to see, especially for older folk like me. Almost 20 years ago, one of my professors told us before graduation that hot tech is mostly about the idea pendulum swinging back and forth. I immediately chalked it up to 65+ above white wise men snobbery. However, this is exactly that. We started with static pages, then came Ajax and Asp.net and the open source variants, then we went full SPA, now we ar…

I think I'd be more impressed by this idea if their server wasn't currently down.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by staticelf »

poxrud wrote: post #152

I'm curious how this is different from Turbolinks, which was been available since rails 3.

Turbolinks afaik, loads a larger part of a page upon hover and click, replacing all of the old html while this only updates the parts that has needs updating. This will prevent forms from being cleared or other state in the DOM to be wiped.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by rubyfan »

This is sort of ironic because many years ago what caused me to move functionality to client side was the fact that Ruby on Rails was slower on server side and required horizontal scale and things like memcached to meet my demands.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by antoineMoPa »

dsego wrote: post #94
antoineMoPa wrote: post #84

The downside of this is very high coupling between the frontend and the backend. However, many companies have been successful with strong coupling to Rails so maybe it's not a problem.

The backend here _is_ your frontend. Nothing stopping you from adding another service layer behind it.

  The backend here _is_ your frontend.
This supports my argument that there is tight coupling.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by scubbo »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #167
sourc3 wrote: post #120

This is so exciting to see, especially for older folk like me. Almost 20 years ago, one of my professors told us before graduation that hot tech is mostly about the idea pendulum swinging back and forth. I immediately chalked it up to 65+ above white wise men snobbery. However, this is exactly that. We started with static pages, then came Ajax and Asp.net and the open source variants, then we went full SPA, now we ar…

You went to a school with professors and dismissed their final advice to you as "65+ above white wise men snobbery"? Which part of that is supposed to be a reasonable thing to say?

> Which part of that is supposed to be a reasonable thing to say?

None of it - that's the point. They are self-deprecatingly pointing out how naïve and judgemental their younger-self was.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by stopChanging »

1f60c wrote: post #123

I wonder how long it will take before we reinvent SPAs? I like Hacker News in part because the tech is so boring. Server-side rendered, static HTML with a minimal amount of JS[0]. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/hn.js

Thanks for the link. I'm new to JS, but it seems funny to me how the first block of one-liner functions reads like it's just making up for how awful the JS standard library is.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by scubbo »

threwawaay wrote: post #166
sourc3 wrote: post #120

This is so exciting to see, especially for older folk like me. Almost 20 years ago, one of my professors told us before graduation that hot tech is mostly about the idea pendulum swinging back and forth. I immediately chalked it up to 65+ above white wise men snobbery. However, this is exactly that. We started with static pages, then came Ajax and Asp.net and the open source variants, then we went full SPA, now we ar…

I like how so nonchalantly you turn this into a racist comment and yet no one is calling you out on it.

Probably because they are relating an anecdote from their past, and self-deprecatingly pointing out how naïve and overly-judgemental they were _back then_.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by craftinator »

shadowgovt wrote: post #172
sourc3 wrote: post #120

This is so exciting to see, especially for older folk like me. Almost 20 years ago, one of my professors told us before graduation that hot tech is mostly about the idea pendulum swinging back and forth. I immediately chalked it up to 65+ above white wise men snobbery. However, this is exactly that. We started with static pages, then came Ajax and Asp.net and the open source variants, then we went full SPA, now we ar…

I think I'd be more impressed by this idea if their server wasn't currently down.

It's back up. If you check out the traffic to it, we hugged it to death.
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