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Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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> It can be as high as 100 000. No stock anywhere. There is always a way to obtain engineering samples/devkits. That's how the products in these 100,000 runs get to be. > That's what I thought before contacting SoC vendors. You don't buy from SoC vendors directly unless you're an enormous operation. Farnell, Mouser, DigiKey, Elfa.

> There is always a way to obtain engineering samples/devkits. That's how the products in these 100,000 runs get to be. Of course there is. But what's the point for me to produce a prototype if I'll have to produce hundreds of thousands of units in production with no way to sell that much? > You don't buy from SoC vendors directly unless you're an enormous operation. Farnell, Mouser, DigiKey, Elfa. "Your search retur…

There are certainly parts that are unobtainium, that's why you need to have a good relationship with someone who has good relationships with parts distributors. A very important part of component selection is to make sure that you can obtain the parts in the quantity necessary. My general rule, is if I can't source it from digikey, I probably can't make the product, but I tend to design products that do runs in the hundreds, maybe thousands of units, so I don't have the same access to components as someone who's doing 10s of thousands of production runs. That said, you may be surprised what your factory can get it's hands on. And if you don't have a factory, then that might be an important step earlier than you might think. Sadly, I have no experience on how to build a factory relationship, and I'd imagine it's especially hard to find a factory with low expected volume. Yet another thing that makes hardware more expensive than you might think...

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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I'm just not sure I buy this... The number of people willing to pay significant money for a high end webcam was very small. Now my parents and their friends are talking about better lighting and camera angles. It seems like this industry is unusually ripe for a "better webcam" that "just works"

Yea, in 2019 this article made sense. If there is ever a year to launch a high end webcam, it was 2020. A ton of professionals with disposable income and very few ways to spend it, sitting in Webex and Zoom calls all day. People are dropping tons of cash for ring lights and Lume Cubes. These are already serving the Youtuber market, the same way that podcasters enjoy Blue Yetis. Which makes me wonder, what cameras are…

> Which makes me wonder, what cameras are Youtubers using?

iPads are taking over. You can get pretty amazing image quality with a new iPad Air or Pro. You can even get rigs with gimbals, lighting, and external mics for almost any budget.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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> not-quite-4K 3,840 x 2,160 But...that is 4K. It's what 4K is defined as, exactly 2x 1080p resolution in each dimension. > Windows scaling looks like crap I don't understand. 2x each dimension (so 1 pixel in the old resolution is 4 in the new) is, like, the easiest possible scenario when it comes to scaling in software.

> But...that is 4K. It's what 4K is defined as, exactly 2x 1080p resolution in each dimension. That's irrelevant though, except if we're talking about consuming movies fullscreen. For a monitor I don't want 4K, I want insivible pixels at viewing distances, so hi-dpi. I would also prefer no scaling for assets that are bitmap in nature. This ideally means pixel doubling (less cpu/gpu demanding and less fuzzy than fract…

> That's irrelevant

Not to the upthread specific claim that the resolution was “not quite 4K”, which is what the comment you are responding to addressed.

On the bigger issue, I don't really see the complaint. I have pretty good vision (corrected—to 20/15 or so—uncorrected is crap but I'm not coding without glasses/contacts) and honestly my 34” ultrawide at 3440x1440 is excellent for coding, and pretty much any other use. Now, would I prefer whatever resolution a 5K 16:9 would be when extended to 21:9? Or better a 4320p at the same aspect ratio? Sure, more pixels are always better. But does the sub-4K display look like crap or force bad sizes for controls? No.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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There’s literally no good monitors with the proper resolution for MacOS outside of the fragile LG ultrafine line. It doesn’t matter how much money you throw at the problem, nobody is making 27” 5k displays right now.

What's extremely frustrating is that Apple makes an excellent 27" 5K monitor in a nice housing for $1800. The only problem is that it comes with an iMac... So clearly, Apple could sell a monitor for about $1600, that would be perfectly compatible with Mac Pros, mac mini and as a secondary monitor for all the various MacBooks.

I genuinely don’t understand why they stopped doing that...

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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The reason you can’t buy a good webcam is the same reason you can’t buy a high quality monitor outside of LG’s unreliable apple collab. The lazy conglomerates who sell these peripherals often don’t actually produce the parts in them. They simply rebrand commodity cameras and IPS panels in a crap plastic housing and slap their logo on it. Then they give the product a hilariously user-hostile product name, like “PQS GR…

> The lazy conglomerates who sell these peripherals often don’t actually produce the parts in them. You think that complete vertical integration will improve product quality?

Apple

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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Yeah I have one of these, the picture is nice with good lighting (I have a black and white one, with an antique 16mm film camera lens). Going to write a OBS plugin for it when I have time.

I'd be curious about this. I think what would make sense is to write a V4L2 driver for it, then any app that uses V4L2 could use it (on Linux). Or, is it far easier to write an OBS plugin than a driver?

Yeah thats another option. I haven't found one, but I do have userspace code that works.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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The real reason is buried in the article: You can’t buy a good webcam because the number of people willing to pay a lot of money for a high end webcam is very small. At the lower end, people are satisfied with their built in laptop parts or a cheap webcam that sits on top of their monitor. At the high end, people go down the rabbit hole of buying a do-everything mirrorless camera that they can use for so much more th…

I'm just not sure I buy this... The number of people willing to pay significant money for a high end webcam was very small. Now my parents and their friends are talking about better lighting and camera angles. It seems like this industry is unusually ripe for a "better webcam" that "just works"

A modern iSight would be great, especially if it could replace webcam and GoPro

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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The real reason is buried in the article: You can’t buy a good webcam because the number of people willing to pay a lot of money for a high end webcam is very small. At the lower end, people are satisfied with their built in laptop parts or a cheap webcam that sits on top of their monitor. At the high end, people go down the rabbit hole of buying a do-everything mirrorless camera that they can use for so much more th…

Pro tip: If you want a good webcam, don't search for a webcam, search for USB machine vision cameras and find a good lens to go with it. The Sony Exmor or Starvis series of sensors are great.

Or use a Pi HQ camera which is an IMX477 (an excellent sensor at its price point) and turn it into a USB webcam with a Pi Zero:

https://github.com/geerlingguy/pi-webcam#readme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fcbP7lEdzY

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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My cheap hair drier has a switch to select the input voltage (you need to turn the dial with a screwdriver). For many devices it shouldn't be too hard to make it possible to use them both with 110V and 230V, even more so for already complex and expensive machines like a washing machine. The biggest problem might be the amount of power a device can draw. Half the voltage gives you half the power, which is the reason w…

For resistive loads (like the heating element in a kettle), half the voltage gives you a quarter of the power. (Electric kettles work just fine on 110/120; they just haven't been a thing in the US. They've been ubiquitous in Canada, although they've been pushed aside somewhat by drip coffee makers. You just need a lower-resistance heating element than would be practical with 220/240.)

Electric kettles in the US typically are 1000W-1500W, while in Europe any kettle is 2000W-2800W. This is simply because houses are typically wired with outlets for 10A-16A everywhere, regardless of grid voltage.

That ofc makes electric kettles much less useful in countries with 110V grid. It also keeps stovetop kettles relevant in these counties, since stoves don't suffer power limitations.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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Buy a Canon M50 and use it as a web cam. You can use this guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eISFCeuiCik

What we need in high technology is a website to manifest our needs and let companies know about underserved use cases. Yes, it's pathetic that Logitech and Apple don't have compelling products in this field but, sadly, it is what it is.

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