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Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by hadrien01 »

mosselman wrote: post #106
paxys wrote: post #10

It's hilarious that web servers rendering HTML and sending it to the browser over a TCP connection is now "cool new tech".

This isn’t new at all. This is version 7 of Turbolinks that has been renamed to Turbo and has some added versions. It has been what the Ruby on Rails and it’s creator have promoted for years and years. The new thing about it are the name and associating it with Stimulus and some features, not the general concept.

Oh wow that is not clear at all. The old website of StimulusJS doesn’t redirect to its new home, and the old GitHub repo for turbolinks (not turbolinks-classic) still exists.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by axegon_ »

ithrow wrote: post #107
axegon_ wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thought exactly, though I fully support that. I often rant about how the modern web is billions of layers of duck tape over duck tape and it has become an unmanageable mess of libraries, frameworks, resources, all while javascript remains the most outrageous and absurd language ever created. I'm by no means a fan of rails or ruby for that matter but I think things like these are a considerably better alternative t…

Javascript as a language is actually pretty decent these days, your criticism probably applies more to certain parts of the ecosystem.

No, I'm talking about js as a whole. Standard library is crap, inconsistent, even the most basic of naming conventions are not followed anywhere. The fact that the standard library jumps between camel case, pascal case, snake case and unicase at random is a perfect example. The list of absurdities is beyond ridiculous[1].

[1] https://github.com/denysdovhan/wtfjs

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by Igelau »

domano wrote: post #100
axegon_ wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thought exactly, though I fully support that. I often rant about how the modern web is billions of layers of duck tape over duck tape and it has become an unmanageable mess of libraries, frameworks, resources, all while javascript remains the most outrageous and absurd language ever created. I'm by no means a fan of rails or ruby for that matter but I think things like these are a considerably better alternative t…

Just wanted to point out that it is called duct tape, just to avoid misunderstandings since i had a similiar spelling error as a non-native speaker :)

"Duck tape" originally referred to tape made from duck cloth. They started using it for duct work, and began to call it "duct tape", to the point where "duck" fell out of common use and was able to be trademarked. They've also stopped using it for ducts.

So call it either one and people will know what you're talking about.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by bnt »

sodapopcan wrote: post #79
llimos wrote: post #15

It sounds a lot like Laravel Livewire[1] Also a lot like React Server Components that we saw on HN yesterday[2] It seems like this is the next wave of web apps. Hopefully once the hype settles, we'll be able to decide which approach is best for which project. [1] https://laravel-livewire.com/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25497065

Livewire, of course, having been heavily inspired by Phoenix LiveView https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix_live_view/Phoenix.LiveView.html

Tho, LiveWire is AJAX, while LiveView and Stimulus Reflex are Sockets. LW is a pleasure to work with for small pieces of interactivity.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by rk06 »

konha wrote: post #32
city41 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found this little thread on Twitter interesting, complaining Hey (powered by hotwire) is too slow https://twitter.com/youyuxi/status/1337851036015480843

The inventor of one of the most successful js frameworks might be a tad biased when it comes to the whole „as little JavaScript as possible“ thing.

he is complaining on Hey's lack of speed and interactivity, not complaining about the lack of js.

which is a fair complaint, I would say.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by edoceo »

domano wrote: post #100
axegon_ wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thought exactly, though I fully support that. I often rant about how the modern web is billions of layers of duck tape over duck tape and it has become an unmanageable mess of libraries, frameworks, resources, all while javascript remains the most outrageous and absurd language ever created. I'm by no means a fan of rails or ruby for that matter but I think things like these are a considerably better alternative t…

Just wanted to point out that it is called duct tape, just to avoid misunderstandings since i had a similiar spelling error as a non-native speaker :)

Check out Gaff Tape as a replacement for the duct-tape at home use-case.

And for actual ducts you'll want to use foil-tape because temperature changes wreck the adhesion of duct-tape, then the moisture leaks into the walls/ceiling which is $$$$ bad.

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by rk06 »

acabal wrote: post #59
fergie wrote: post #44

Gentlemen, we have come full circle.

I thought this had to be satire when I opened the page. Now I'm still not sure.

I thought it was a joke. and completely ignored it when i first saw the headline. only later someone else referred to DHH's hotwire. it clicked me that it is the New Magic thing.

I am still wondering if there is any benchmark presenting some objective facts

Re: Hotwire: HTML over the Wire

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Post by vasachi »

methyl wrote: post #105
petey283 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here's some additional followup. Minor speculation that maybe his location is what caused slowdown. https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1292825527116369922

That's one of the reasons SPA aren't going anywhere: trying to handle all the user microinteractions on the server is great when you leave next to it, but it falls apart when your users are spread across the world, especially if it's not western-ish world with fast internet connections.

Huh? How does SPA help here? JSON payloads don't go faster over the wire than html.
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