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Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Post by sleavey »

chadlavi wrote: post #27

Finally someone stands up for the little guys, like major league sports, film production companies, and cable networks

Exactly. I was happy to pay €10/month to DAZN when they had the streaming rights for a football league I was interested in, but then after two years they lost the rights to Sky via whom the minimum payment to get access to the same content was €30+ month. The content did not suddenly get 3x more valuable between seasons, this is just a big company being greedy. You reap what you sow and all that.

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Post by sleepysysadmin »

Mindwipe wrote: post #209
sleepysysadmin wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This affects platforms, not users. Illegal streaming will not be a felony. Creating a for-profit platform with intent to do illegal streaming will be. That is already a crime. It's called Commercial copyright infringement and comes with rather extreme. This is even in international law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agre... My read of this proposed bill is that it's not misleading. Illegal…

Criminal copyright infringement didn't cover streaming previously.

>Criminal copyright infringement didn't cover streaming previously.

Why not?

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Post by topspin »

nick_ wrote: post #163
caymanjim wrote: post #98

I'm disgusted by the comments on HN every time media theft is mentioned. It costs money to make movies, TV shows, and music. There are millions of people whose careers depend on it. Most of the people involved make less than your average HN media pirate. Yes, like everything else, the people at the top make more. Yes, there are shitty UIs, DRM, and absurd rules preventing fair and convenient use of media even if you…

Virtually everyone involved in the production of media is already paid by the time the media goes on sale.

This level of thinking only serves to lend credibility to Tillis et al.

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Post by dragonwriter »

infogulch wrote: post #278
seanc wrote: post #179

- Everyone discussing this law should really read the text The difficulty in doing so is a big part of the problem. As per AOC's comments on twitter yesterday, at 2PM Members of Congress got 5000 pages of bill dropped on their desk with a vote call at 4PM. The whole thing needs to be much more transparent.

The whole problem is enormous "conglomerate" bills in the first place. It's absurd that everyone is forced to evaluate and have a single opinion/vote on all these completely separate issues as a unit. How much political BS is hiding in these massive bills, quid-pro-quo, back scratching, intentionally opaque text that nobody can understand the implications of until long after it's been jammed through... its disgusting…

> It's absurd that everyone is forced to evaluate and have a single opinion/vote on all these completely separate issues as a unit.

They aren't forced to, except by their own (collective) consent. They could vote to split the bill, propose smaller bills and vote down the bigger ones in preference, etc.

Conglomerate bills are a tool to reach mutually tolerable compromise.

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Post by jariel »

znpy wrote: post #17
hexo wrote: post #8

"Last year, one study reported that digital video piracy costs the U.S. economy $29.2 billion a year." Well, I'd say that it in fact saves $30 billion a year. People can use it to buy more important stuff - such as food.

I read on a post somewhere that if you replace "the economy" with "rich people yatch money" a lot of headlines make more sense. "Last year, one study reported that digital video piracy costs the U.S. rich people yatch money $29.2 billion a year."

The next time you watch something on Netflix go ahead and watch the credits and you'll see the names of the hundreds of mostly regular people who made that thing. In addition, it's worth nothing, that most actors are not remotely rich, they're barely making it if that.

Netflix and the Studios profit margins are similar to other distributors, and after all is said and done, most of them are not 'rolling in it', at least not any more than the local pharmacy chain corporation operators are - those are regular jobs as well.

FYI: Even studio heads are not rolling in it, they make less than the biggest talent/starts, and there are only literally 5-10 of them, one layer below, and those people are earning the same as senior devs at Google with a small amount of stock options. The rest of the distribution machine are not paid so well.

This 'yacht populism' is ridiculous unless, maybe, you're referring to 'Jim Carrey' or 'Tom Cruise', but even then ...

The content is made by people, just like physical things are, if they don't get paid, it doesn't get made, it's that simple.

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Post by skeeter2020 »

chadash wrote: post #9

This title is misleading: > The Protecting Lawful Streaming Act would apply only to commercial, for-profit streaming piracy services. The law will not sweep in normal practices by online service providers, good faith business disputes, noncommercial activities, or in any way impact individuals who access pirated streams or unwittingly stream unauthorized copies of copyrighted works. Individuals who might use pirate s…

That's just how the press release on the sponsoring senator's web page spins it. It's essentially a combination of "don't worry if you've got nothing to hide" and "we're only going after the big bad criminals not everyday people who watch GoT once or twice".

But look at the actual text; there is enough ambiguity and opportunity here to use this as the launching pad for very questionable prosecution. If you're in a P2P network and getting free media does it qualify as a commercial enterprise and material gain?

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Post by dwiel »

jtms wrote: post #223
setr wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn’t the collective default be to simply vote “no” if it’s given like this I don’t know why the behavior would exist otherwise..

Yes, it should be, but then you possibly end up voting "no" on something that is then weaponized against you in the next election. "Senator so and so refused to support the end of violence against babies!!" or other such nonsense.

I wish more politicians would realize that this kind of nonsense will happen no matter how they vote or what they say and move on to voting and acting in a way that fits their values and what they represent.

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Post by univalent »

Why are these bills 5000 page turds with all kinds of legal garbage thrown in? I wish Congress would pass a 1 paragraph bill that does one thing: say $1000 bucks to everyone making under $75k for 3 months and dare people to vote against or veto it.
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