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Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Post by IdiocyInAction »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #115
IdiocyInAction wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are all the people, from the film crew to the VFX artists and engineers that work on the IP that is being stolen "rich people yatch (sic!) money"? You can say what you want about IP law; you wouldn't be able to enjoy many big-budget productions if it wouldn't exist. Many jobs, high-paying and low-paying, wouldn't exist. Of course, the business model for content distribution is somewhat nonsensical and the time until…

Minimum wagers aren't who's buying ever-racheting copyright laws, via campaign funds.

They may not be buying them, but I've done some research on this in the past and IP law is widely supported by content creators, even those who make little money. I personally also think that copyright laws as they exist right now are not optimal, but I think that pretending that "rich people yacht money" is all they are good for is also not a good thing.

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Post by xbar »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #95
dawnerd wrote: post #43

Since most if not all of these platforms are based in countries more friendly towards infringement it’s really not going to do much of anything other than be another law that gets selectively applied and abused.

This is the most realistic and useful comment I've read so far.

Precisely. Some dozens of citizens performing relatively harmless individual acts of illegal stream will go to prison and have their lives ruined over twitch activities.

It will be both chilling and pointless and sad, all at the hands of pro-corporate legislators who can't see the people for the dollars in the way.

The law doesn't set a threshold of gain by the perpetrators and that will make it broadly abused: 16-year-olds tried as adults for terrorism and streaming due to videogame habits; security researchers revealing vulnerabilities; the poor trying to share an MMA fight with their friends.

Streaming companies seem to be doing just fine.

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Post by nick_ »

caymanjim wrote: post #98

I'm disgusted by the comments on HN every time media theft is mentioned. It costs money to make movies, TV shows, and music. There are millions of people whose careers depend on it. Most of the people involved make less than your average HN media pirate. Yes, like everything else, the people at the top make more. Yes, there are shitty UIs, DRM, and absurd rules preventing fair and convenient use of media even if you…

Virtually everyone involved in the production of media is already paid by the time the media goes on sale.

Re: Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight Illegal Streaming

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Post by PointyFluff »

chadash wrote: post #9

This title is misleading: > The Protecting Lawful Streaming Act would apply only to commercial, for-profit streaming piracy services. The law will not sweep in normal practices by online service providers, good faith business disputes, noncommercial activities, or in any way impact individuals who access pirated streams or unwittingly stream unauthorized copies of copyrighted works. Individuals who might use pirate s…

Either way, this is bullshit forced through into "must pass" legislation because they know this shit wouldn't pass otherwise.

This is fundamentally evil. Our senators are a pile of shit-enabling shit.

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Post by andjd »

The headline is misleading because it misstates the status this legislation is in. Any senator or congressperson can release proposed legislation like this. The vast, vast majority of it never gets further -- Especially ones released right before the end of the term. Senator Tillis can introduce this legislation again next year, but nothing is going to happen with this bill before it dies an unceremonial death on Jan 3.

It's good to keep abreast of what congress is considering in this regard, but this is nothing more than a wish by the Senator and the handful of lawmakers that are co-sponsoring it.

A useful headline would be `Senator introduces bill to make illegal streaming a felony` but to say "it will happen soon" is misleading.

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Post by tsjq »

fumar wrote: post #13

If the United States’ populace elects its officials, why do the representatives act against the populace’s wishes? Is this typical of all governments with elected representation? Are they solving different organizational problems that most people are not aware of? I am curious how such a system arises, maintains itself, and is resilient to change.

Populace gives them votes. Corporates give money. Loads of money. And influence. And power.

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Post by meragrin_ »

cbsks wrote: post #114
plussed_reader wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" this law should really read the text instead of reading whatever nonsense the media is spinning." It doesn't take you more than a few hours to go over 5000 pages of text, Right?

The linked pdf is 5 pages. It seems like irresponsible journalism to not just include the text in any article written about it.

But is the text of that PDF the same as the text in the monster bill?

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Post by tantalor »

Why the focus exclusively on streaming? That seems arbitrary. There are other distribution platforms for copyright material such as torrenting, p2p, BBS... I could go on.

If these are already covered by existing law, then we don't need a new law just for prosecuting streamers.

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Post by IdiocyInAction »

autosharp wrote: post #132
IdiocyInAction wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but the second-order effects of you not paying may very well affect them in the future. If the studios get less revenue and have to pay more for enforcing IP law, they have less money for new productions and therefore less jobs and salary for the people producing the content. And I don't see why you should have a right to enjoy the fruits of their labor without paying.

I will spend the money somewhere else and that is where they will be working in the future.

Without meaning to offend, that is not a good argument. If you rob a store and the employees have to quit their job, saying "I will spend the money somewhere else and that is where they will be working in the future" would not absolve you of the responsibility that you have indirectly damaged their livelihood.
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