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Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

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I'm the technical co-founder of a pre-revenue startup. We were 51/49% to them and took a small round of pre-seed funding (~$100k) so our cap table is approx 40% for me and co-founder, 10% option pool and 10% investor. We have very standard shareholder agreements for 4yr reverse vesting with 1yr cliff.

My (non-technical) co-founder spent $10k to create the initial website over a year ago with the idea. I joined about 11 months ago and since then the idea has changed a bit, we've built loads of products, grown from 2k users to 60k users and continuing to grow due to dominating SEO for our niche.

Recently my co-founder said they wanted to work on it themselves. I said I didn't want to leave. They suggested I go down to 3% equity and they continue. I said they would need to buy out my equity at a fair price.

My co-founder doesn't have the money, and the business only has around $40k cash in the bank right now. My co-founder also won't entertain the idea of raising external money to buy me out, or monetizing the site right now.

To me this seems ridiculous as I'm literally just giving away my equity after spending 11 months building the tech and growing the business. Right now if we stuck adsense on the site, we'd generate $5k/mo, and we have inbound sales leads looking to spend upwards of $40k with us. Basically, the business is primed to make money.

They will not entertain the idea of me buying them out for cash.

What are my options here? It's basically being presented to me as "Take the 3% otherwise you'll own 40% of nothing". I don't really want any equity in the company at this point if I'm not involved.

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Did they really pose it to you that way of take the 3% or they'll torch the company? Was it just a bluff because they'll own nothing too? I would talk to a lawyer and possibly the seed investor, but the lawyer first.

The seed investor is remaining neutral.

It's not so much that they'll torch the company. They're just saying they don't have the cash so need to reduce my stake. They will budge on the 3% I'm sure, but I don't value the equity much if I'm not involved.

I'm not too sure what a lawyer would recommend at this point? I also can't really afford one personally - especially as I may be out of work soon haha..

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#5
keep 40% of nothing. do not capitulate. you have the upper hand here, and an honorable position.

3% of nothing is nothing also. i’d go with 40%.

it’s absolutely ridiculous because the other founder isn’t prevented from working alone because you hold 40%. the 2 things aren’t connected. so just agree to sell all your shares in the next raise. then it’s his choice: take on debt now to buy you out (cheap) or pay later (expensive). the latter is likely far, far too expensive so more likely you can only sell half your stake in the next round.

EDIT: it has occured to me that you are only 11 months vested. this is a bait and switch. make their lives hell, even after and if you get to keep 10%. he probably can't fire you so you'll just keep vesting. make it very clear you will make it impossible to fundraise unless he buys you out.

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#6
The problem with your ask is that early stage capital is for growing the business, not liquidating founders, and investors are not interested in giving anyone cash to liquidate a founder. Additionally, your valuation is currently underwater and even that is assuming a functional founding team.

Re: Ask HN: Co-founder wants me to leave but won't entertain a buy out offer

#8
Sorry to hear you're going through this. I went through something similar and it wasn't fun.

As much as you have shareholder agreements etc. none of that matters too much if the business fails and so it's basically about what the two of you can negotiate.

In my case, I've paid off a former business partner much like a loan. You can negotiate all sorts of parameters on this: monthly payments, grace period, cash triggers, funding triggers etc.

Basically you set a valuation for the business (at least as set by the price of the round of the last investor, if not more because of growth) and then he buys your ownership.

Idk what "reverse" vesting is, but if you had normal vesting it sounds like your 49%, after the 1 year cliff, would be worth e.g. 12%. So you can either keep that 12% or if he wants to buy you out he could pay you your 12% vested * last valuation * growth factor.

It sounds like it's not going to work for the two of you to work together, so now it's just about negotiating the details before the conflict kills the company

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#10
Is it possible to play the long game? I.e., before your partner tanks the business, lay the groundwork for you alone to rebuild it from the ashes.

E.g., make sure you have copies of all the source code, and any other intangible assets. After the business tanks and he too is short on cash, buy out all claims he has on those assets, and restart the business?

Also consider including your investor in the planning. He/she might be more willing to help you save the business at your partner's expense, if the alternative is losing their entire investment.

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