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Re: Cryptocurrency company Ripple says SEC lawsuit is imminent

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What I've never understood about XRP and Ripple is that originally XRP was meant to only be used for paying for transactions and the ledger was meant to track IOUs between people denominated in some other "real" currency. They had videos floating around explaining the concept. In fact, they were handing out XRP for free to bootstrap the network of users [0] (that post says 1000 XRP, originally it was 30,000 XRP when…

Indeed. I was involved back in 2014 and never understood why people didn't saw ripple as an open source central bank back end infrastructure. Anyone can start a network running rippled (you, me, the central bank), it is simple, ressource efficient, with our own "internal" XRP which are only used as rate limiters for transactions and then interconnect those networks at will. I don't get why there have been so many governments developing they're own infra for making their national currencies as a cryptocurrency, all they need to do is run a parallel ripple network

Re: Cryptocurrency company Ripple says SEC lawsuit is imminent

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I don't understand why this hasn't happen sooner as it's been 8 years since their release. Ripple is a centralized, managed network. It's nothing like Bitcoin, Ethereum, or many other decentralized projects. Ripple is not a cryptocurrency. For years I've told loved ones, friends, and anyone with a passing interest in the nascent space to avoid Ripple like the plague.

It actually was useful for a brief period as a pretty fast and reliable way to process a transaction. There was a time when a good portion of the major cryptocurrencies had transaction confirmation times on the order of minutes and XRP was one of the few reliable and cheap ways to get a fast transaction (seconds) completed.

Of course, because it's a CENTRALIZED service. I can make a centralized transaction settlement service with a completion time in milliseconds. But it will not have the security and freedom of a decentralized service.

Re: Cryptocurrency company Ripple says SEC lawsuit is imminent

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Make no mistake. They're going to make an example of Ripple. This is going to be horrible for them and a warning to anyone trying to run a similar Ponzi scheme. You can't centralise, hype and then cash out on vaporware without there being consequences. XRP held zero value at the time the founder cashed out and they've been trying to make their consulting business work ever since. Dare I say XRP goes to zero. Watch th…

Bitcoin core's lightning should be the next on the chopping block of SEC.

Re: Cryptocurrency company Ripple says SEC lawsuit is imminent

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing stops you from having a verifiable audit trail in a SQL database. You could even decentralize the audit trail. Problem with Ripple is creation of new XRPs, they had full control over that.

How do you decentralize the audit trail? Would need something like ripple

Generate a cumulative checksum of everything that happened yesterday plus the previous day's checksum, and post it in the local paper, on your website, and in all investor documentation.

Re: Cryptocurrency company Ripple says SEC lawsuit is imminent

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I guess the real question is: what will actually happen if the SEC wins this case (which we should assume they will). Ripple is vast and presumably has the resources to deal with any judgement against them. The ruling would have to make the administrative burden of managing global XRP holdings unviable in order to really change the overall equation here. Is Ripple just getting slapped with a small fine in the realm of possibility?

Re: Cryptocurrency company Ripple says SEC lawsuit is imminent

#86

I guess the real question is: what will actually happen if the SEC wins this case (which we should assume they will). Ripple is vast and presumably has the resources to deal with any judgement against them. The ruling would have to make the administrative burden of managing global XRP holdings unviable in order to really change the overall equation here. Is Ripple just getting slapped with a small fine in the realm o…

Maybe they force them to shut it down for good?

Re: Cryptocurrency company Ripple says SEC lawsuit is imminent

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What I've never understood about XRP and Ripple is that originally XRP was meant to only be used for paying for transactions and the ledger was meant to track IOUs between people denominated in some other "real" currency. They had videos floating around explaining the concept. In fact, they were handing out XRP for free to bootstrap the network of users [0] (that post says 1000 XRP, originally it was 30,000 XRP when…

No, that was the idea of Ripple, invented by Ryan Fugger long before bitcoin even existed, and requires no new coin or token for its operation. OpenCoin, a company founded by Jed McCaleb, bought the trademarks other IP for Ripple and rebranded their bitcoin competitor altcoin as XRP. They never had any interest in the original concept, and quickly threw it away when it was no longer fashionable.

I don’t remember if I had ever talked to Ryan, but I remember talking to people about this in forums and in person at Stanford and Cal in 2007. By 2005, the financial system was showing signs it was headed toward a point of no return because there was no revenue basis to justify the debt leverage, and the only way out was either extreme dollar scarcity, or previously unthinkable monetary base injections. Either way, there was some concern that we’d need a system of barter for those soon to be left behind by the banking system, and some hope that a massively decentralized barter network would be a more just and stable and productive economy regardless. The main theoretical discussion was whether a system could exist without a central currency. Most ripple believers thought that central currency was basically antithetical, although one based on unskilled labor hours might be acceptable as fallback. I believe this transformed into a resurgence of interest in HashCash, which had only been interesting for spam mitigation, but now looked like a possibility on Ripple. There were some weaknesses in the protocol, however, and as soon as the sci.crypt community got pulled into it, they dove into the double-spending problem. The old methods of Chaum’s blinded signatures didn’t work for decentralized exchange because you’d have to trace every coin back to its original minter. So the question was whether to use the network of confirmations to create an acceptable level of trust, or to maintain a central ledger, which looked a lot like a central bank. Satoshi’s concept was to use hashcash to both secure the ledger and issue currency. This was brilliant but antithetical to the no-currency concept, and re-ignited the debate, with Szabo and Dai reviving their own currency ideas and heading toward implementation with Finney. The ripple crowd were mostly interested in new ideas in economics, and as nobody could find a way of securing a decentralized exchange network without a currency, most of the interest faltered. Sure; you could decentralize the currency, but it doesn’t succeed in prioritizing reward to those performing useful work. At some point Mazieres entered with a more rigorous defense of trust generated by the network, but it still relied on a central token of value to process each exchange. Bitcoin emerged from the impending doom of financial collapse as a less hopeful but more realistic option, and interest in cryptocurrency in general fell off dramatically as the Bitcoin network went through its dead period of only one consistent miner, Satoshi himself. Ripple as XRP emerged much later in the post-Doge altcoin boom with huge investments, big claims about XRP in deals to replace Forex, hiring a lot of people, and were the only job option for the people that would be their critics. To the original ripple supporters, XRP looked no different than a central bank with, except that it was even more autocratic, unaccountable, and unequally-distributed. In no way did XRP fix the basic problem of allocating more rewards to useful work.

I could go on... but... just my recollection...

Re: Cryptocurrency company Ripple says SEC lawsuit is imminent

#90
post #11

I don't understand why this hasn't happen sooner as it's been 8 years since their release. Ripple is a centralized, managed network. It's nothing like Bitcoin, Ethereum, or many other decentralized projects. Ripple is not a cryptocurrency. For years I've told loved ones, friends, and anyone with a passing interest in the nascent space to avoid Ripple like the plague.

It actually was useful for a brief period as a pretty fast and reliable way to process a transaction. There was a time when a good portion of the major cryptocurrencies had transaction confirmation times on the order of minutes and XRP was one of the few reliable and cheap ways to get a fast transaction (seconds) completed.

ALGO/Algorand does that now...at least until ETH2 if the latter hits it's promised transaction rates.
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