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Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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> A lot of what makes a picture great comes from lighting the scene in a correct way. IDK why the author thinks a "good" webcam should be able to do 4k, just to show one's face?? But yes, lightning is paramount. I installed custom lightning in front of my desk and with a cheap Logitech webcam I get very good image quality. Basic photographic lightning kits are cheap; I paid $80 7 years ago for 2 x (stand+light+bulb+u…

> IDK why the author thinks a "good" webcam should be able to do 4k, just to show one's face??

I don't think it's very useful. I think it will be very problematic to sell a webcam for $250-300 that can't do 4k.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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> But...that is 4K. It's what 4K is defined as, exactly 2x 1080p resolution in each dimension. That's irrelevant though, except if we're talking about consuming movies fullscreen. For a monitor I don't want 4K, I want insivible pixels at viewing distances, so hi-dpi. I would also prefer no scaling for assets that are bitmap in nature. This ideally means pixel doubling (less cpu/gpu demanding and less fuzzy than fract…

I just completely don't understand your point. There's no misleading advertising here - the resolution is exactly as promised ,at the size promised....what's the problem? If the resolution isn't high enough for you....then buy one where it is? There are 5K monitors out there, maybe even 8K? Or just get a 4K one but in a smaller size? I'm so confused by your comment.

> There are 5K monitors out there, maybe even 8K? Or just get a 4K one but in a smaller size?

The whole point of this thread is people complaining that, outside of LG's fragile Apple collab, there aren't any 5k options widely available.

Go on amazon and search for 5k 27. There's the Apple collab LG UltraFine, and then nothing.

Ditto for 22" 4k, which would provide the same DPI as your laptop screen for that given size.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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This doesn't seem particularly insightful. The author managed to get in a couple of completely irrelevant adverts for his startup and his brother's twitch channel.

Save yourself some time - the titular question is answered (with the obvious, unsurprising answer) in the penultimate sentence: "you can't buy a good webcam because existing players seemingly don't think it's a good opportunity, and for newcomers the market is hard to enter."

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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post #180

Webcams suck because until recently video calls sucked. > but his camera can't output a live stream into HDMI Buy different camera. Sony a6000/Sigma 1.4 16mm lens plus Camlink looks like this: https://twitter.com/feliciaday/status/1268379532823683072 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/834329198?t=00h09m50s Pretty much every time new person streams/zooms with Felicia they ask about the setup to replicate it :)

>> but his camera can't output a live stream into HDMI

> Buy different camera.

He did :)

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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post #122

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Here's a trick how to get beautiful studio-like lighting for less than 50€: - buy two large sheets of white styrofoam (1m x 0.5m or bigger) - buy two cheap bright floodlights (the brighter the better) - get some mounting materials (eg. wood and screws, or cardboard and duct tape) - Place the two styrofoam plates right and left behind your laptop. - point the floodlights at the styrofoam, carefully positioning them so…

I am using two Ikea Skurup lamps ( https://www.ikea.com/pl/pl/p/skurup-lampa-stolowa-kinkiet-go... ) directly above and in front of my monitors, just outside of reach of webcam. Soft lighting is a result of geometry. You can use very huge source far away from you or smaller but very close. You also need to pay attention to how the light is scattered and that the direct light is not shining on your face. I have asked…

4x 5W LED isn't really a lot of light, especially if you are diffusing it. If your webcam can work with that, it's not that bad :)

Edit: I just read your comment again and realized that you are putting the light really close to your face. I guess that's a way to get away with low power lights.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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The reason you can’t buy a good webcam is the same reason you can’t buy a high quality monitor outside of LG’s unreliable apple collab. The lazy conglomerates who sell these peripherals often don’t actually produce the parts in them. They simply rebrand commodity cameras and IPS panels in a crap plastic housing and slap their logo on it. Then they give the product a hilariously user-hostile product name, like “PQS GR…

Early in my career I learned important lesson, there is no point buying displays from other brands than NEC or EIZO. Preferably upper tier products. The exception from this rule was Apple Cinema Display and Some Dell models. EIZO FlexScans are reliable and rarely have any issues. https://www.eizoglobal.com/products/flexscan/index.html

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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> Then they give the product a hilariously user-hostile product name, like “PQS GRT46782-WT” as an extra f-you to the user. That is also a strategy to prevent product comparisons and unbiased reviews. They quickly cycle through product names and sell a certain product no. only in a limited geographical area. Doesn't matter if a consumer org/magazine/someone on reddit/your friend/etc. does a review. The product will b…

That's exactly what I have been telling folks about Apple vs. other laptops. Apple only has a handful of laptop models for sale and they don't even change that much across generations. Furthermore they seem to exhibit hardly any manufacturing variations within each generation. That means that if there is a problem (and yes, there were a few big ones), everyone is affected the same, everyone is screaming about it, the…

That last paragraph is indicative of terribly quality and quality control.

Fortunately that hasn't been my experience with the recent Dell, Asus, Lenovo and HP laptops I've purchased. Each have been without any issues at all.

But my point here is that... it sounds like you're arguing against consumer choice. You can have your Model T in any color as long as it is black. And this is Apple's model. You can have your product in any configuration as long as it's the one configuration Apple offers. Apple tried this, actually, for a long time. The iPhone started out with extremely limited configurations and only more recently branched out beyond 2. In a way, I agree with the confusion, because I know now I can't just say "Macbook" because there is at least one Macbook without suffix, at least one Air, and the Macbook Pro has a myriad of configurations - different sizes, with or without touch bar, etc.

Why did Apple start offering more options? Because that's what consumers want. Dell exists exactly because they were the first big PC manufacturer to accept configuration orders, and then (relatively) quickly manufacturer and deliver those custom configurations to users. Consumers want this. As Apple's share of the market grows, they will have to meet the consumers where they are - or their market share will be limited by the limitations they place upon themselves.

Now, I agree that, for example, the variety of models between different geographic locations is - if nothing else - annoying. Especially when nicer options aren't offered in your location! But I don't agree with the offered example of getting bad replacements. Maybe buying one laptop a year isn't enough to experience these issues.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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post #48

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It seems I needed to include a couple of shots - one is from my laptop webcam, and the other is from my phone. What "bad lighting" is changes very much based on the camera capabilities (lens, sensor, post-processing).

Yes and no. A better camera will be able to better compensate for bad lighting, but that doesn’t make the lighting good, and good lighting will improve the results of both. That’s why pro mage capturers (photogs and camera crews) spend a lot of time on getting the lighting as good as possible.

To be sure I don't tell it is worthless to buy a better camera. I just say you may want to improve your lighting first.

Most webcams including the ones in laptop can provide decent quality image if there is ample amount of good light on the subject.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a trick how to get beautiful studio-like lighting for less than 50€: - buy two large sheets of white styrofoam (1m x 0.5m or bigger) - buy two cheap bright floodlights (the brighter the better) - get some mounting materials (eg. wood and screws, or cardboard and duct tape) - Place the two styrofoam plates right and left behind your laptop. - point the floodlights at the styrofoam, carefully positioning them so…

Why not white bed sheets? I'm sure you could pick up a pack at a mega mart for a few quid. Easier to store, more environmentally friendly and less messy than styrofoam.

Works fine until it falls of a makeshift stand half way through the meeting, but I guess that’s an issue with yours truly being a bit lazy/not talented at DYI

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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post #75

The reason you can’t buy a good webcam is the same reason you can’t buy a high quality monitor outside of LG’s unreliable apple collab. The lazy conglomerates who sell these peripherals often don’t actually produce the parts in them. They simply rebrand commodity cameras and IPS panels in a crap plastic housing and slap their logo on it. Then they give the product a hilariously user-hostile product name, like “PQS GR…

Dell sells good monitors.

Dell has very nice adjustable stands, but panels are mixed bag. eg. P2416D (1440p) is fine, but P2415Q (4K) has quite bad ghosting. So annoying I had to disable browser smooth scrolling.
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