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Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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Owner of a Logitech Brio 4K here. The quality is terrible just like this article mentions and I would have happily spent the money elsewhere if I had options.

I used to have a tiny Canon digital camera in 2003 that had better quality than this.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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I've also investigated this quite deeply. As I'm sure most of us know, the main problems with 'webcams', either the built-in ones or USB ones that you perch on top of your monitor, are the lens size, and the CCD/CMOS image sensor size. Manufacturers spouting specs like '4k' are deliberately misleading the public if the sensor and/or the lens aren't also upgraded. The only cost-viable methods to get 'broadcast quality…

> you can get cheap china-knockoffs for about £12, I don't know how good they are.

They are so-so. Well, they are much-much better than any webcam, of course, but 1080p is almost the same as 720p on them. So as a budget thingie it'll work, but Elgato's adapter is much better, of course.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

#33

I think the author lost me when they said that a good webcam has to have "decent sound quality" and uses the MacBook as an example. I have literally never seen anyone suggest using your webcams /laptop mic except as a last resort.

Recent MacBook Pros (2020 13" M1 and 2019+ 16" Intel based) have incredible microphones for laptop mics [1]. Older 13" Pros and Airs have decent mics too but not as good as dedicated USB microphone.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=237&v=CmMOJTs7Pu8

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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post #12

> So there is a market gap between so-so webcams for $100-200 and a full-blown setup with a mirrorless camera, an external mic and lighting panels that will cost almost a grand or two, if you're so inclined. Nope. You can get a mirrorless camera set up (with mic and lights) for around $500 to $600. There are plenty of 1" compacts as well in that price range.

I am looking for an improvement in convenience over mirrorless, even if it costs the same.

A webcam can be more compact because it does not need half the stuff thats in a mirrorless camera

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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The article doesn't really go into a lot of depth about which Logitech cameras they looked at. I've got the Brio (https://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/brio) and it seems pretty good to me.

If you are looking to use an iPhone camera for streaming/Video conferencing camo (https://reincubate.com/camo/) works well.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

#37
Reading this article actually got me sold on the idea of a phone-holder+software in lieu of a good web cam.

I, like many people have an old smartphone lying around.

My Samsung S7 has better camera (front and back) and better mic than any webcam I’ve owned.

Getting a nice holder and a reliable app that could spit webcam picture out of that phone would be great.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

#38

A year ago, you could easily buy a good webcam for very little. The Logitech C920 is, to my eyes, superior to the MacBook Pro webcam, and offered at least semi-decent audio quality. Pre-pandemic, it could sometimes be had for £25 (~$35). Post pandemic, however, webcam prices seem to have at least tripled (if not quadrupled). As I type, the C920 is going for £140. I can understand this as a supply/demand thing, but su…

C920 is still only mediocre IMO. It's ok if you sit completely still but it doesn't handle motion at all.

so what, everyone else buys Sony or m4/3 and a capture card. It's not that you need motion in the typical videoconference that much - and even then: what's handling motion about? I don't have a problem with my c900 (or whatever) and the only problem with a very old Quickcam STX seems to be no driver ..

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

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post #31

Owner of a Logitech Brio 4K here. The quality is terrible just like this article mentions and I would have happily spent the money elsewhere if I had options. I used to have a tiny Canon digital camera in 2003 that had better quality than this.

Brio is retailing at ~$330 in my country.

Re: Why can’t you buy a good webcam?

#40
The reason you can’t buy a good webcam is the same reason you can’t buy a high quality monitor outside of LG’s unreliable apple collab.

The lazy conglomerates who sell these peripherals often don’t actually produce the parts in them. They simply rebrand commodity cameras and IPS panels in a crap plastic housing and slap their logo on it.

Then they give the product a hilariously user-hostile product name, like “PQS GRT46782-WT” as an extra f-you to the user.

They don’t care about you because they have no ongoing relationship with you, and their executives mistakenly see their own products as commodities.

Combine this with the fact that most home users don’t care about good quality or even know what it is, and you have the current situation.

A friend once described the peripheral market as “Assholes selling crap to idiots.”

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