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All in all, these people think as hard as us that they are right, that they are the better people, that they have the better ideologies. I just can't fathom it. I'm convinced at this point that the only way to think about it is to understand that the IQ average of that group must be pretty low.

EQ, not IQ. So much of right-wing politics is predicated in lacking empathy for others.

EQ is not a thing.

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I can't respond to AntiImperialis2 directly anymore, so I'll leave this here... I don't think that because Boomers and (a lot of ?)GenX tended to grow more conservative as they got older proves it's 'the natural order'.. Millennials are approaching 40 now and the liberal ones I know are still very liberal.. I'd argue that Truman getting elected in 1948 meant that there were a lot 'progressive' older folks back then.…

Telling someone they will more conservative as they get older is a great in innoculation against that event occurring.

People don't get more conservative as they get older, they get more conservative when they have more to lose. It just so happens that as people get older they tend to get houses, families, long-term careers, etc, which tilts them towards preserving the status quo in amber so as not to threaten what they have.

And if, hypothetically, a generation were to grow up and find themselves unable to afford a home of their own, unable to afford a family, and unable to land a career, they will find themselves with very little to lose and very little incentive to preserve the status quo, regardless of their age.

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Ever since they’ve started nagging to get the app, nagging to log in, not letting me read more comments without logging in, I’ve stopped using Reddit. I came here instead. I opened Voat one time because I found some people in a ~6 year old FOSS Reddit thread who had used a script to replace all their comments essentially with ‘Screw Reddit, I’m going to Voat.’ That place is a _cesspool_.

Old.reddit.com still exists, and is a lot more usable. Ed: to be clear, I use it logged in. I don't know how dark-patterny it is when logged out.

Old.reddit.com is not usable on mobile.

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What's extreme about any of that? Seems pretty tame.

There are a tonne of tankies on the site. Some who claim Holodomor was fake, Tianmen square was an exaggeration and the DPRK/China are heroes, Fidel Castro was a benevolent dictator and that everyone who escaped his regime was a slave owner.

Where is the lie?

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Most of the original Voat groups were groups that has been kicked off of Reddit, but then people there made groups that corresponded to groups that were still on Reddit, like /v/science and /v/movies. Reading those is quite an experience. On /v/science right now there is a submission about dark matter and MOND [1], which was also discussed today on HN [2]. The title of the Voat submission will give you a good idea of…

Holy fuck. That’s way worse than I expected. I can’t imagine people actually think like that. They must be doing it for the shock value, or because of some echo chamber effect.

I've seen it happen. Stew in that cesspool of "jokes" and humor long enough, and it becomes how you think. Your brain comes to anticipate the jokes and the comments so you're part of the in-crew. And you start to think "I mean, it's kind of true". A subset of those people go on to be truly hateful.

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No, the symbol is called a tilde in Spanish , where it's part of the writing system. It's unused in English and therefore doesn't really have a name, but people who have learned Spanish may call it a tilde. If you were studying Greek, you'd call it a "circumflex". (Or, if you were Greek, you'd call it a "perispomene".) Spelling it as "tilda" just reflects the fact that a reduced vowel in English may be spelled in any…

I think it's fair to say that, even though it's not part of the English writing system, "tilde" is the standard name of the mark in English now when English-speakers who are familiar with it want to discuss it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde This includes lots of detailed discussion of the mark under the name "tilde", including names of Unicode characters that include this term. Wiktionary also views it as an En…

> Wiktionary also views it as an English noun borrowed from Spanish.

Sure, but it's not live in the same way that most words are. It doesn't refer to anything in an English speaker's normal experience; you could easily go your whole life without ever using the word.

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Moderators on Reddit hold very little power. Unlike almost every other messageboard in existence, they can do absolutely nothing to stop you from creating a competing community on the exact same website, leveraging the existing userbase. The only tools are standard moderator ones: content deletion, stickying, and a banhammer. There's not many sites where moderators have less power.

> they can do absolutely nothing to stop you from creating a competing community on the exact same website, leveraging the existing userbase. Admins can though. I see a recurring pattern of this in U.S. politics or politics-infested parts of reddit: mods of /r/PoliticalHumor or /r/MurderedByWords can make a pro-D. echo chamber out of their subreddits, but an attempt to make a pro-R. echo chamber of the similar temper…

I'm curious about this dissent you speak of. Could you share some examples of it that you have seen or would like to see?

Edit: the question was asked in sincerity. I haven't seen any such dissent but I live in a bubble. The only conservative dissent I've seen in the last 4 years has been been republicans leaving the party over Trump.

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Voat was founded as a neutral free-speech platform. After alt-right extremists were booted off reddit, they found a new home there. The site was bombarded by /pol/ chan culture, and after that nobody else of other political persuasions really wanted to join. Kind of like that "paradox of intolerance" meme. Free speech platforms usually end up becoming extremist platforms. I remember going on voat a couple years ago a…

Its not that free speech platforms are destined to fail, its anonymity. You're not responsible for your words. That's why these fail. Notice I use my real name here on this website. Not a pseudonym. Whatever I say here, I would say to you in front of your face. Same as I do on Facebook and Twitter and Reddit and the other areas I post. I've always used my real name. I'll always use my real name. We don't require anyo…

4chan though

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#239
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Can you give some specifics of #3 just for color? I'm not interested in debating or trolling at all. I'm just curious what people say that does this. Is it just people cheering for Trump or something?

Tones of statements fall under that header. It can be Trump supporters tallking about election fraud, nazis talking about "race based IQ distributions" or transphobes talking about "bathroom predators"; there's no shortage of these kind of bad faith low effort "arguements". There are mountains of high quality sources you can use to argue against the claims but it takes many times the work than just showing up to "jus…

No interest in wading into the specifics of these topics obviously. But, it occurs to me that deciding which topics are troll topics and which ones aren’t confers a lot of power.

I have actually seen people banned from communities when coming armed with pretty detailed data and thorough argumentation. I wonder if there’s a principled way to separate low-effort trolls from those simply willing to argue the unpopular side of a controversial topic.

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post #76

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Ever since they’ve started nagging to get the app, nagging to log in, not letting me read more comments without logging in, I’ve stopped using Reddit. I came here instead. I opened Voat one time because I found some people in a ~6 year old FOSS Reddit thread who had used a script to replace all their comments essentially with ‘Screw Reddit, I’m going to Voat.’ That place is a _cesspool_.

Old.reddit.com still exists, and is a lot more usable. Ed: to be clear, I use it logged in. I don't know how dark-patterny it is when logged out.

i.reddit.com is a fairly fast mobile interface.
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