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Post by mr_toad »

ignoranceprior wrote: post #67
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #50

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> Free speech platforms usually end up being extremist platforms. ...when the popular platforms stop being free speech platforms. Reddit, in its earlier days, was never dominated by the Voat contingent. They were there, but they were far less extreme there than they were on Voat. And then whenever they would post rank inaccuracies, there were clearer-minded people to point out why they were wrong, in the same place w…

Then the question is whether it's better to allow people with unsavory views a minority platform on mainstream sites where they'll try to convert others, or force them to their own niche echo chambers that will inevitably be extremely toxic. It's basically a tradeoff between visibility to the public and density of toxic content.

> niche echo chambers

Letting every sub have it’s own moderators with nearly free-reign is a big part of the problem.

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Post by howlgarnish »

cbozeman wrote: post #141
ignoranceprior wrote: post #4

Voat was founded as a neutral free-speech platform. After alt-right extremists were booted off reddit, they found a new home there. The site was bombarded by /pol/ chan culture, and after that nobody else of other political persuasions really wanted to join. Kind of like that "paradox of intolerance" meme. Free speech platforms usually end up becoming extremist platforms. I remember going on voat a couple years ago a…

Its not that free speech platforms are destined to fail, its anonymity. You're not responsible for your words. That's why these fail. Notice I use my real name here on this website. Not a pseudonym. Whatever I say here, I would say to you in front of your face. Same as I do on Facebook and Twitter and Reddit and the other areas I post. I've always used my real name. I'll always use my real name. We don't require anyo…

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." -Cardinal Richelieu, c. 1600 (attributed to, anyway)

Given the political climate we're in and the complete intolerance to anything but the most milquetoast pablum in Silicon Valley these days, it's a brave or foolish person who posts anything online under their real name these days.

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Post by iKevinShah »

sellyme wrote: post #140
iKevinShah wrote: post #122

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I am not the original commentor but would like to address : > > It is an absolute disgrace how it's become normal > Why? I have seen where almost ALL discussions lead to judgement based on politics and that takes away from the core discussion point. What is the point of having separate subs then? For example take this link ( https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/khlnyz/ronaldinho_o... ), this was the top post on t…

> I've seen people take time to go through your profile and dig out one comment and then label you, just one. That feels like a disgrace. Eh, depends on the comment. I recently saw a particularly erroneous comment about COVID-19, so I checked the poster's comment history to see whether it was worth trying to engage them in good faith, or just post a dry correction for others to see. I then saw this comment posted ear…

Yeah I mean sure, see, my personal POV is the world isnt binary and there are always, always edge cases. The thing you said seems more of an edge case where one comment is sufficient. But this has to be the exceptional cases, not the norm (however, it is not a norm for reddit users, surely is for celebrities / well known figures)

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Post by eropple »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #160
eropple wrote: post #143

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This sounds good until you realize that we're dealing with literal-not-figurative fascists here. The world has figured out how to deal with a Nazi. I've linked this elsewhere in the thread, but it is worth understanding the lessons of this story deeply: https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/128089153745134387... Say you're something anodyne, like /r/RomanHistory or something (I don't know if that's real). For obv…

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Political systems not tethered to the murder of millions present arguments for socialized medicine that are legitimate and in good faith.

No political system presents an argument for white supremacy that is legitimate and in good faith.

I hope this elaboration of the obvious is helpful.

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Post by cable2600 »

ignoranceprior wrote: post #4

Voat was founded as a neutral free-speech platform. After alt-right extremists were booted off reddit, they found a new home there. The site was bombarded by /pol/ chan culture, and after that nobody else of other political persuasions really wanted to join. Kind of like that "paradox of intolerance" meme. Free speech platforms usually end up becoming extremist platforms. I remember going on voat a couple years ago a…

The alt-right needs to go somewhere to leave the rest of us alone. No matter what they will blame liberals for the loss of Voat and other sites. When you have no censorship it is like the Wild West and the biggest guns rule.

Back when I worked as a CO-SYSOP for a College run BBS I had to delete posts that had cuss words in them or were hateful or porno. They had to keep the subboards clean because we had 13 year olds on there downloading info about the college and playing Tradewars, Stock Market, Food Fite, etc. One of the people I censored was Larry Kite, an alt-right troll. Who got mad and claimed he was going to the computer lab to meet the SYSOP and see his boyish face. My supervisor had a beard and met Mr. Kite and explained to him it was not personal we do that to everyone. Especially on networked subs where they have rules against it.

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Post by whatthesmack »

qlm wrote: post #107
phponpcp wrote: post #98

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I dont know about that... Twitter has a huge problem of leftwing extremism.

Can you provide an example of what you perceive to be "left wing extremism"?

Here's a couple that some folks consider to be leftist extremism on Twitter:

- Blue checkmarks claiming lockdowns are a net benefit to the world

- Twitter adding their corporate opinion on the recent US election to some tweets

The aforementioned left-wing extremism has caused many of us to move to Parler.

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Post by NineStarPoint »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #160
eropple wrote: post #143

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This sounds good until you realize that we're dealing with literal-not-figurative fascists here. The world has figured out how to deal with a Nazi. I've linked this elsewhere in the thread, but it is worth understanding the lessons of this story deeply: https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/128089153745134387... Say you're something anodyne, like /r/RomanHistory or something (I don't know if that's real). For obv…

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Nazism isn’t just any philosophy that has harmed people though, it’s a philosophy based on the innate premise of harming people. There is a major difference between arguing for something that the other side believe will cause harm, and arguing for something that’s primary goal is to cause harm.

Or, put another way, saying its rapidly getting out of hand because you make assumptions about what else could be banned is the slippery slope fallacy. Saying what exactly constitutes unacceptable speech on a given platform just needs to be specifically defined.

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Post by Aeolun »

tzs wrote: post #54

Most of the original Voat groups were groups that has been kicked off of Reddit, but then people there made groups that corresponded to groups that were still on Reddit, like /v/science and /v/movies. Reading those is quite an experience. On /v/science right now there is a submission about dark matter and MOND [1], which was also discussed today on HN [2]. The title of the Voat submission will give you a good idea of…

Holy fuck. That’s way worse than I expected.

I can’t imagine people actually think like that. They must be doing it for the shock value, or because of some echo chamber effect.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

eropple wrote: post #164
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Political systems not tethered to the murder of millions present arguments for socialized medicine that are legitimate and in good faith. No political system presents an argument for white supremacy that is legitimate and in good faith. I hope this elaboration of the obvious is helpful.

Motte and bailey. You're making an argument for ejecting people for memes and alleged dog whistles, not for being overt white supremacists.

Political systems not tethered to the murder of millions present arguments for the existence of a statistical correlation between race and parental income that are legitimate and in good faith.

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