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Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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I can do that in my American city too.

Oh! Which one? I can only think of NYC but that’s really inhospitable to cyclists too. :/

What is bad about NYC in particular? I’ve rented bikes in lots of European and US cities and have been thousands of miles in NYC and haven’t found it that much more dangerous than somewhere like Paris or London, except for certain large Avenues.

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> 1. The construction of highways through poor (read: minority) urban areas, causing mass respiratory disease and premature deaths[1]. Isn't this kind of leap? I've lived plenty of expensive places (e.g. downtown San Diego, Boston, Los Angeles) that had free/highways close to expensive property. What is leading you to believe highway construction targets the poor areas, other than those real estate markets are alread…

Here in Raleigh, NC, Wade Ave was paved through Oberlin Village: https://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/article237167884.html Many other examples: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/03/role-of... https://www.dispatch.com/in-depth/lifestyle/2020/12/03/black... https://catalyst.independent.org/2020/04/02/how-the-u-s-gove... https://www.facingsouth.org/2020/06/bitter-history-behind-hi... https://archive.thi…

"Wade" Ave... as in Wade Hampton III?

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Oh man, am I glad to be European. Walk to the bar, cycle to work, take the tram if it rains. American cities built for cars are just so sad.

I love my kansas city sprawl. It's not for everyone, but it certainty isn't sad in my eyes, or that of my friends.

But it is pretty sad for the rest of the world. In Latin-America our oldest cities are European-style cities, totally walkable. The new developments (say last 50-60) are mostly American-style suburban hell.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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I can do that in my American city too.

Oh! Which one? I can only think of NYC but that’s really inhospitable to cyclists too. :/

Chicago, San Francisco. Even la has a decent bus system.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Don't forget.. 4. Auto makers conspired to kill or cripple mass transit. http://www.brooklynrail.net/NationalCityLinesConspiracy.html

There were quite a few other factors that led to the decline of streetcars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp... One of the biggest is that people actually like living in suburbs, and they could afford to do so after WWII. The promise of the suburbs is a detached house, with some private outdoor space like a back yard, in a quiet area: essentially what the rich had always preferred and been…

The first suburb was Long Island. Mass transit was prohibited. Commuters had no choice but to drive. They hated it. They still hate it.

The Power Broker, Robert Caro

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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Police in small towns are mostly fine and don't care about petty stuff because they have meth labs and whatnot to give them perspective. Police in wealthy suburbs, rural retirement small towns, tourist destinations and college towns are mostly not fine because they don't have much Real Crime(TM) to give them perspective.

Yeah right. Except that if you drive around the country enough you’ll find out that speed trap towns are usually small towns with nothing better to do. One pharmacy, a subway, 2 gas stations but 5 cruisers waiting for you to go over the silly 30mph limit imposed right after the crest of a bridge.

Speed traps aren’t because they have nothing better to do, it’s because it’s a non-trivial revenue stream for small towns that get a decent amount of through-traffic.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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I had the misfortune of talking to a psychopath recently who admitted to intentionally killing a pedestrian. It made me wonder how many traffic deaths are actually homicides. Legally there is zero accountability so it's the perfect crime.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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I love my kansas city sprawl. It's not for everyone, but it certainty isn't sad in my eyes, or that of my friends.

But it is pretty sad for the rest of the world. In Latin-America our oldest cities are European-style cities, totally walkable. The new developments (say last 50-60) are mostly American-style suburban hell.

I think you are missing my point.

Beauty is in the eye if the beholder

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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This is entirely about the same politics of safety we're seeing play out with the pandemic. If jaywalking was legal, the sacrifice is that we'd have to drive slower to watch for pedestrians. As Americans our priority has been individual convenience, over collective safety of our neighbors. Its shifting slowly, but for the most part this is a battle we're grappling with as a society on multiple fronts right now.

> As Americans our priority has been individual convenience, over collective safety of our neighbors. Wouldn't walking across the road into traffic, rather than the crosswalk, be individual convenience rather than collective safety?

Americans commenting negatively on Americans collectively is quite common, and I think the common sense thing to do is just assume that whenever you see it, understand that the author is only telling you about their own biases and stereotypes, and not about any empirical fact of Americans.

Re: Jaywalking decriminalization, 100 years after the auto industry made it a crime

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But it is pretty sad for the rest of the world. In Latin-America our oldest cities are European-style cities, totally walkable. The new developments (say last 50-60) are mostly American-style suburban hell.

I think you are missing my point. Beauty is in the eye if the beholder

Did you grow up with suburban car culture? How do you know your frame of reference isn't biased?
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