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Despite becoming more similar in recent years, the cell phone supply chain is still very different than the automotive supply chain. The number of parts/unit differs by an order of magnitude and so does the size and weight, not to mention manufacturing techniques and materials. These are capabilities, not so much skills, and they aren't as transferable as you may think. For instance, logistically things are very diff…
I've worked with ex Apple supply chain people, and they were very used to operating at massive scale and the leverage that came with it. This led to some some unhappy suppliers some of which walked because they felt we were being too demanding. I don't want to overgeneralize, some of the issue was likely the culture of this particular team, but I could definitely see growing pains as they move into a new vertical wit…
Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources
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Re: Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sources
#532Classic Apple. They dabble in various things for years until the moment is right to strike with a version 2.0 of something that others already make. Apple rarely enters the market with something that nobody has ever seen before. Apple Watch, iPad, iPhone, and iPod... These were not the first products in their category, but they were the first to get the category truly right. This being said, I have no idea what Apple…
To the smug 2026 posters who link this thread to laugh at us: my prediction is Apple ships a clean, simplified no-frills electric car 2.0 _subscription_.
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>One can say many things about Tim Cook, but not that he doesn't understand "business". He understands business perfectly, but does he understand product?
I don't know, but so far under his lead, Apple managed very well selling the new products they bring to the market.
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> Pack has to go through an order of magnitude more charge cycles than a phone I don't think this is true. Most electric cars are re-charged once a day, which is about the same as a phone. > Must operate in a much wider variety of conditions than a phone Also, not really true if you look at the range of temperature and conditions an iPhone is rated for. (Including water resistance. Mine went through a washing machine…
> iPhones definitely have lights. I am sorry, are you trolling? Are you seriously comparing smash test on a phone with regulatory crash test on a car? Have you thought about this at all? Do iPhones have crumple zones designed in? Do they asses performance of the chassis after 30 years of corrosion? Do they operate in 50 degree Dubai or -30 Siberia? Do they travel at 100 m/h? How many Gs does an SSD (~100) survive as…
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Apple isn’t a software company. They are a hardware company that focuses on software to showcase their hardware. They are the opposite of Microsoft which is a software company that makes hardware to showcase their software. I can’t even run the later safari on a non apple product.
Apple isn’t a software company and it isn’t a hardware company. Apple is a merchant of “good will”[1]. It does this by creating then selling long term trust. In the words of Steve Jobs and Tim Cook, “we build products because we love them” and “we build products we would recommend to our friends and family”. Today Apple has the luxury to be exclusive. When they didn’t, they released iTunes and Safari on Windows. Toda…
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> iPhones definitely have lights. I am sorry, are you trolling? Are you seriously comparing smash test on a phone with regulatory crash test on a car? Have you thought about this at all? Do iPhones have crumple zones designed in? Do they asses performance of the chassis after 30 years of corrosion? Do they operate in 50 degree Dubai or -30 Siberia? Do they travel at 100 m/h? How many Gs does an SSD (~100) survive as…
Especially hilarious given I left the "lights" bullet (with zero explanation as the last item) as fool's bait. It was gloriously taken.
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Are you sure an EV is still that much more complex in terms of part count from a phone ? An ICE I would agree.
How many windows are on an iPhone? Window motors? Window motor switches? Door panels to hold the window motor switches? Mechanical guides for the windows? The little weather striping to keep rain out from inside the doors? How many doors are there on an iPhone? Door latches? Door locks? Door handles? Door close sensors? Weather stripping to keep the rain out from inside the cabin? The little sticker inside the door l…
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#538I will walk, bike or buy a horse before give another penny to this people. Management chops, supply-chain, massive scale. Are we so blind that allow big tech to exploit abroad, avoid taxes, buy politicians, kill any prospect of middle class, accumulate tons of user data and prepare level of automation and surveillance non existent in history? Apple car will be like iPhone, closed, with low repairability, with restric…
Come join us in reality when you're ready, man.
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Backed by Goldman Sachs, a company that destabilizes whole economies for profit. Apple isn’t exactly hiding which side of the income spectrum they prefer.
Right. They surely could have gone with a better institution if they were honestly making the best product for their customers.
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The point has nothing to do with whether they do now, but the relative complexity of building a car vs computer.
Complexity of a phone has no relevance on your ability to deliver a car, just like it has no relevance on your ability to deliver a hydroelectric dam.