How we made the PJON network protocol from scratch • Hacker News Board

Re: How we made the PJON network protocol from scratch

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Post by gioscarab » Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 2:21 PM UTC

detaro wrote: post #30

gioscarab wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's almost as if "somebody" doesn't want projects like this one to succeed. Who would benefit if PJON and others like it didn't exist? Who would benefit if users instead had no other option but to pay a for-profit company for the hardware, software, and (of course!) the recurring monthly subscription fee instead of just doing it themselves? Hmm... (see how easy that is)? jlgaddis, probably there could not have been…

No, conspiracy theories are not a good way to describe the situation, and certainly don't help people believe you if they are doubting the legitimacy of a submission.

Many of you accused some users of our community to be fake and guilty of trying to influence the narrative, they did everything to prove their feedback was sincere, you gave them the benefit of the doubt.

Another user postulated the same could have happened in the opposite direction (trolls trying to discredit this submission), I told him he might have a point, you label me as a conspiracy theorist.

That's for sure fair.

Re: How we made the PJON network protocol from scratch

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Post by detaro » Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 2:24 PM UTC

gioscarab wrote: post #31

detaro wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, conspiracy theories are not a good way to describe the situation, and certainly don't help people believe you if they are doubting the legitimacy of a submission.

Many of you accused some users of our community to be fake and guilty of trying to influence the narrative, they did everything to prove their feedback was sincere, you gave them the benefit of the doubt. Another user postulated the same could have happened in the opposite direction (trolls trying to discredit this submission), I told him he might have a point, you label me as a conspiracy theorist. That's for sure f…

> I told him he might have a point,

you didn't just do that. you edited your comment since I replied to it, so my comment now looks out of place.

(And there is some difference between "fake" and "just signed up to help promote a thing". And yes, suggesting that is also somewhat of a conspiracy theory, but one where we know that people asking their users to help upvote and promote a HN submissions happens regularly at least)

Re: How we made the PJON network protocol from scratch

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Post by gioscarab » Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

detaro wrote: post #32

gioscarab wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of you accused some users of our community to be fake and guilty of trying to influence the narrative, they did everything to prove their feedback was sincere, you gave them the benefit of the doubt. Another user postulated the same could have happened in the opposite direction (trolls trying to discredit this submission), I told him he might have a point, you label me as a conspiracy theorist. That's for sure f…

> I told him he might have a point, you didn't just do that. you edited your comment since I replied to it, so my comment now looks out of place. (And there is some difference between "fake" and "just signed up to help promote a thing". And yes, suggesting that is also somewhat of a conspiracy theory, but one where we know that people asking their users to help upvote and promote a HN submissions happens regularly at…

In my opinion your comment is clearly out of place.

This post was in the first page thanks to dang, who decided to let me make a repost, after this comment generated a lot of interest: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23589798 now 6 months ago

and this post I created immediately after got huge interest although being only visible in the "show" first page because it was "flagged": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23591953

and that is just the standard policy of HN.

But you could have just discovered most by yourself just checking my account info, instead it looks you are prone to see conspiracy behind everything.

Re: How we made the PJON network protocol from scratch

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Post by detaro » Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 2:43 PM UTC

gioscarab wrote: post #33

detaro wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I told him he might have a point, you didn't just do that. you edited your comment since I replied to it, so my comment now looks out of place. (And there is some difference between "fake" and "just signed up to help promote a thing". And yes, suggesting that is also somewhat of a conspiracy theory, but one where we know that people asking their users to help upvote and promote a HN submissions happens regularly at…

In my opinion your comment is clearly out of place. This post was in the first page thanks to dang, who decided to let me make a repost, after this comment generated a lot of interest: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23589798 now 6 months ago and this post I created immediately after got huge interest although being only visible in the "show" first page because it was "flagged": https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

I responded to your (paraphrased, since you edited the comment I can't quote the exact text) "I'll say that next time", saying that you shouldn't do that because it'll look unconvincing.

I am not saying that you "faked" anything, and don't think you did, but understand why it looked suspicious to other commenters, because it looks pretty much like what happens if someone tries to game the system by asking others for upvotes.