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Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by tracker1 »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

Try disabling the Chrome background update mechanism in MacOS, it seems to be a common issue there... Not sure if Edge does the same, but that may be an alternative option.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by Too »

stinos wrote: post #190
raziel2p wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it's that simple. One of the things in my process list is "Service Host: Server". That's so generic I can't even properly google it. One of the answers I found was "A server is an application which serves functionality to other network participants."

In services.msc you get a description: takes care of file and printer sharing and the likes. Otherwise you look for "what does windows server service do?"

Or even easier, in the process manager. Just right click -> Go to Service.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by stinos »

Too wrote: post #292
stinos wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In services.msc you get a description: takes care of file and printer sharing and the likes. Otherwise you look for "what does windows server service do?"

Or even easier, in the process manager. Just right click -> Go to Service.

That just tells you the service name; i.e. 'Server', which doesn't tell a lot in this case. services.msc has a more elaborate description.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by stinos »

rbancroft wrote: post #272
stinos wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In services.msc you get a description: takes care of file and printer sharing and the likes. Otherwise you look for "what does windows server service do?"

you can also do tasklist /svc in a command prompt to get a list of svchosts.exes, pids and the services they are running.

Yup. I wondered what the PS equivalent was. So, figure out which WMI class one needs:

    Get-CimClass | ?{$_ -match 'service'}
ok, 'Win32_service' it is, could've guessed that :) Then:

    $svc - Get-WmiObject -Class Win32_service
what can we do with this?

    $svc | Get-Member
Lots of options, get some to see if it's what is needed:

    $svc | Select-Object -Property Name, PathName, ServiceType | Format-Table
Ok, looks like we need PathName. Sum up and list svchost processes including full descption like the one in services.msc:

    $svc | ?{$_.PathName -match 'svchost.exe'} | Select-Object -Property Name, PathName, Description | Format-Table

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by ganoushoreilly »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #289
matsemann wrote: post #142

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Yes. Every MacOS update is a shitshow of things that stop working. My company always have to send out a message to everyone asking them not to update when a new OS version is out, until it's been tested some more. Always break something.

We do this in IT for windows. A mac update is exactly like a win10 version update, and both require testing before rolling out. We spend months testing Windows10 version updates. You just don't see it because its all behind the scenes. Right now we're committed to ONE win10 upgrade a year due to this.

That sounds like a security nightmare. How do you handle out of bound security patches?

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by nix23 »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #295
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #289

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We do this in IT for windows. A mac update is exactly like a win10 version update, and both require testing before rolling out. We spend months testing Windows10 version updates. You just don't see it because its all behind the scenes. Right now we're committed to ONE win10 upgrade a year due to this.

That sounds like a security nightmare. How do you handle out of bound security patches?

He probably meant feature updates, security updates was at-least for us, 2-3 days of testing.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

nix23 wrote: post #296
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a security nightmare. How do you handle out of bound security patches?

He probably meant feature updates, security updates was at-least for us, 2-3 days of testing.

Separating feature updates from security updates was one of the best things Microsoft ever did.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by nix23 »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #297
nix23 wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He probably meant feature updates, security updates was at-least for us, 2-3 days of testing.

Separating feature updates from security updates was one of the best things Microsoft ever did.

True, but it was nearly a "have to" for a rolling release used in big enterprise.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by kabdib »

gruez wrote: post #40
kabdib wrote: post #20

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I help run a service that uses hundreds of Windows boxes, and at any one time two or three of them always seem to have a borked windows update state. Recovery is utter fucking voodoo, and it's usually better to flatten a machine than attempt to repair things. A while back I installed a couple racks of shiny, new, absolutely identical servers (except for MAC addresses) with factory-imaged operating systems, and had tw…

>How do you even do that? flaky hardware?

It's definitely not flaky hardware.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by vanilla_nut »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #286
vanilla_nut wrote: post #258

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So you did have most of these issues, but jumped through a lot of hoops and maintained a bunch of brittle fixes to address them? Also, your link to "Windows 10 Pro N" just leads me to the download page for Windows 10 -- I don't see any option for "Pro N". Smells like dark patterns to me.

The “N” editions were created to comply with EU law, so they’re really only available in the EU. A VPN would help.

Ironically, I'm actually on a VPN already... just not one into the EU! I suppose this is how EU users must feel when new tech products launch and they're only available in the US.
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