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Dave Chang has a small scene in one of his Ugly Delicious (great show, by the way) episodes where he gets a group of non-Asian Americans, who claim to be MSG-allergic, to come and share their stories of MSG-related symptoms after eating at Chinese restaurants. He then hands out Doritos and American products that the participants claim they love and can eat all day. Hard to see where this is going... he says, all thes…
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> However, I think one can build a tolerance to it, because I regularly eat it at restaurants and I haven't had any problems with it since that time as a kid. It is much more likely that: 1. You haven't had any problems with MSG ever, including that time as a kid, just as every experiment ever done on MSG would suggest; 2. Your doctors were influenced by coverage of MSG in the medical press outside India. Stupidity d…
> just as every experiment ever done on MSG would suggest; > In 1995, the Food and Drug Administration asked an independent scientific group, the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology, to study MSG’s safety. It found that only a small number of people experienced any side effects, and that was only after consuming six times the normal serving of MSG on an empty stomach. There is a _very_ small num…
Do you have a different citation? Because what you actually quoted says it is no one, unless you think people are going to Chinese restaurants and being served a plate of pure MSG. Show me one person who has ever eaten instant noodles while maintaining an empty stomach.
Dave Chang has a small scene in one of his Ugly Delicious (great show, by the way) episodes where he gets a group of non-Asian Americans, who claim to be MSG-allergic, to come and share their stories of MSG-related symptoms after eating at Chinese restaurants. He then hands out Doritos and American products that the participants claim they love and can eat all day. Hard to see where this is going... he says, all thes…
I wish people stopped invoking racism everywhere, when plain "being misinformed" explains things just fine. Millions of Koreans swear up and down that MSG is bad for health. Are we also being racist? (Against whom?)
I cannot comment about MSG in Chinese food but I can provide my own experience with MSG. As a kid in Bangalore I used to eat a lot of instant noodles that had MSG in the seasoning packets. One time I got a very bad case of food poisoning and ended up in the hospital for 5 days. At the time, the doctors said the food poisoning was due to MSG. The circumstances being what they were, I doubt the doctors were influenced…
> However, I think one can build a tolerance to it, because I regularly eat it at restaurants and I haven't had any problems with it since that time as a kid. It is much more likely that: 1. You haven't had any problems with MSG ever, including that time as a kid, just as every experiment ever done on MSG would suggest; 2. Your doctors were influenced by coverage of MSG in the medical press outside India. Stupidity d…
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> Besides, if "racism" is the explanation behind it, how are you going to explain the immense popularity of Chinese food everywhere in America? Probably in the same way that one could explain how the existence of Taco Bell does not preclude racism towards Mexicans.
“Chinese food” is not analogous to Taco Bell. Panda Express might be your Taco Bell equivalent.. maybe.
American Chinese food is a lot sweeter, thicker, and more soy sauce based.
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> What is the reason Koreans think it's bad for health? Pretty much the same reason why Americans think it's bad for health. It has a scary-sounding name (it's also called "MSG" in Korea), it sounds like a "chemical", and you can find it in ingredient lists of all popular junk foods - most notably instant ramen, which is basically an MSG+salt solution masquerading as noodles. Give something in food an exotic name, an…
> instant ramen, which is basically an MSG+salt solution masquerading Non-instant ramen is also essentially salt + oil + glutamate flavoring + noodles. If you like you can take instant ramen and add a soft-boiled egg, some vegetables, and some fatty pork, or whatever other set of toppings you prefer.
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Do you ever use the phrase "long time no see"? It is treated as innocuous today but it is rooted in a mocking jest at broken English spoken by Chinese immigrants. The funny part is that I know Asian Americans who say it without knowing where it came from. You can be misinformed about something that is fundamentally racist. The twisted MSG belief system is just a less overtly racist version of "Chinese restaurants ser…
> The funny part is that I know Asian Americans who say it without knowing where it came from. I know many Asian Chinese; they tend to really like saying "long time no see" because they find the saying so intuitive.
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Serious question (because I don't know the answer, or how to find out): are there many other places in the (first) world where people of a minority race are singled out for harassment by law enforcement, to the point where police are routinely murdering people of that race with little to no consequences? If not, then I think a focus on the US's particular brand of racism is warranted. I do agree with you that it is f…
But your claims aren’t back by data either. Your first paragraph is made up. https://samharris.org/can-pull-back-brink/ (I link Sam Harris because of his bigger point about people echoing talking points completely divorced from the data, as you have done. You can check his data sources.)
... and then he goes on for many paragraphs about several police shootings of black men, and how awful and unjustified they are, so... he seems to agree after all that this is a problem? Finally, he tries to muddy the waters by essentially claiming black people seem to "deserve it" more, because apparently black people are involved in more crime than white people? Which, again, doesn't seem to be very well supported by data.
So... I don't really get why you're using this link to try to refute what I said, because it does not do that, at least not in a logically consistent, evidence-based manner.
> But your claims aren’t back by data either.
I believe they are. Let's look at some actual data that we can easily read, rather than attempting to extract something useful from a meandering 15,000 word podcast transcript that rambles on forever.
This[0] shows that out of all US police shooting deaths from 2107 through now, 27% were of black people, and 49% were of white people. But black people only make up only 13% of the US population, while white people make up 60%, so that sounds pretty disproportionate against black people to me.
But this data is only for shooting deaths; likely someone like George Floyd, for example, wouldn't be counted in that data as he wasn't shot.
So let's take a look at this study[1] from last year (reported on here[2]) that suggests blacks are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than whites.
I could go on, but I'll let you educate yourself further if you're so inclined; "police killings statistics by race" is the search I used.
> people echoing talking points completely divorced from the data, as you have done.
I don't believe that's what I've done; Harris' own views seem completely divorced even from what little data he presents, if one can be expected to actually find data in that nightmare of a transcript.
[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...
[1] https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-06/race-and-...
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> The funny part is that I know Asian Americans who say it without knowing where it came from. I know many Asian Chinese; they tend to really like saying "long time no see" because they find the saying so intuitive.
I mean, long time no see is a word for word translation for a Chinese greeting (in Cantonese, hou noi mou gin )
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It totally is systemic racism. But I wish there was another word for it, or that racism were not used interchangeably with systemic racism. There's a hell of a difference between "you're racist" and "you're spreading misinformation that only exists because your grandparents were racist". The latter will get a reaction from the vast majority of people like "oh shit, I had no idea, that's awful". The former will cause…
> If the idea is to get everyone on board with the idea that the deck is still stacked against minorities even in the absence of conscious contemporary racism (which I believe to be true) Chinese Americans have higher incomes than white people on average. In terms of income mobility: Vietnamese Americans who came here in the 1970s as refugees went from being among the poorest groups in the country, to parity with whi…
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_pay_gap_in_the_United_S...