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Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by athms »

game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

Apple's has done the same thing regarding QA. Lots of companies have eliminated their QA departments, moved the QA engineers under development managers, and transitioned the QA labs to virtual machines allowing all tests to be identical and repeatable on each machine. You will never find edge cases or problems unique to certain hardware and software configurations.

As an example, Big Sur bricked lots of Late-2013 MBP laptops, but Apple had no way of knowing this would happen because they never tested them.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by aksss »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #33
runjake wrote: post #29

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Are people seeing ads in Windows 10? I often hear this, but I've never seen an ad (except MSFT's own ads getting to to try its new Edge browser.)

In most, but not all installs, the start menu pre-installs game ads, explorer advertises for onedrive, and the lock screen advertises things on top of the pretty pictures.

At least you can still turn off the Lock Screen stuff.. I’ve not seen ads. It’s more random trivia about the geographic location they’re showing. I disable that overlay.

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Post by aksss »

gruez wrote: post #244
donmcronald wrote: post #76

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That's exactly what it is and it's becoming more common. Java went that way. Windows went that way. CentOS is going that way. Office 365 is even worse because the low paying users get more frequent updates than high paying users. I know because I tracked down a long file name issue for someone and was shocked they were paying for it and still getting to be a beta tester for the "real" customers (huge businesses).

> Office 365 is even worse because the low paying users get more frequent updates than high paying users. AFAIK all office subscribers can change their update channel from monthly (default) to SAC (the one that "high paying users" use). The only difference is that the low paying user has to do it via group policy or registry, whereas the high paying users probably have some sort of enterprise admin tool that allows i…

Yes, for business and enterprise tenants, you can set the release cadence by group.

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Post by mr_toad »

nolok wrote: post #212
eznzt wrote: post #203

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"apple-blessed displays" means "displays that have a pixel density that is appropriate to the year 2020", not necessarily screens that were manufactured by apple

That's beside the point. There are a lot of non high dpi devices out there. The majority of screens are. Whether it's your personal one (and you can't or don't want to change it) or a professional one (and your company may not want or be able to justify changing dozens of screens), you need to use them. It's possible to display properly and cleanly on them, everyone else does it. It's not as great as on a high dpi ob…

> Apple with osx is the only major os that fails to do it, either through incompetence, malice or just pure disdain for their users facing that scenario.

It’s because of cost involved in maintaining the code that can push the hinting through the various layers of the graphics stack. Coupled with Apple’s culture of ditching old technology at the first opportunity.

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Post by TurkTurkleton »

STRML wrote: post #209
2ion wrote: post #199

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Not even to mention the willfully broken font rendering on all peripherals that are not "retina enough" since a few versions ago. Using my work macbook with my trusty 16:10 monitors with 1920x1200 resolution in the home office is a literal eye sore since it's impossible to get a clear font image. The company had to send over a retina-enough screen... The worst font rendering Linux ever had is still better what macOS…

If you're having color banding, you may need to force RGB on your external monitor [1]. I had to do this a few years ago, it massively improved the picture. That said, I was in disbelief that this was a problem that both was common enough to be all over the Internet, and so involved to fix. Amazes me that OSX doesn't simply have an advanced setting for RGB/YPrPb, and instead requires that you boot into Recovery Mode…

At least in Big Sur, you can just place the override in /Library/Displays/Contents/Resources/Overrides instead of /System/Library/[...]. This may work in earlier versions as well, but it equally wouldn't surprise me if it was only added to Big Sur because of the Signed System Volume thing.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by colejohnson66 »

vanilla_nut wrote: post #258
Pq2Vvv8MtzTCFWS wrote: post #77

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I haven't had any of these issues, this is what I did when setting up my Win 10. (The watermark still shows up 90% of the time, but with dual monitors I never notice it.) USB installed without a key Windows 10 Pro N, which comes with less bloatware - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 when installing do not sign up for an outlook.com account, create a local agent account Go into settings and…

So you did have most of these issues, but jumped through a lot of hoops and maintained a bunch of brittle fixes to address them? Also, your link to "Windows 10 Pro N" just leads me to the download page for Windows 10 -- I don't see any option for "Pro N". Smells like dark patterns to me.

The “N” editions were created to comply with EU law, so they’re really only available in the EU. A VPN would help.

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Post by reitzensteinm »

TedShiller wrote: post #268
bengalister wrote: post #95

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Hard to say but for me I would say: 1. Windows 2. MacOS 3. Linux I had more crashes on Linux than any other, all related to the Gpu driver (intel iGpu), and it really depends on the kernel version but newer not necessarily means better. In a VM with i3, it never crashed. But regarding hardware support except for the Gpu, I had better experience with Linux than Windows on the same machine. On Windows my mouse is stutt…

That’s weird, Linux is usually incredibly stable and I sometimes have the system running for months, whereas Windows is hard to get a long “uptime” on.

All of our experiences are compatible if you look at it through the lens of modern kernels being ridiculously stable, with third party drivers causing all of the issues.

Linux on a server is basically bullet proof. There's just no surface area for issues, it's talking to storage and a network card. Desktop Linux with the wrong display drivers can crash daily.

Windows can be rock solid. I do game dev and am forced to have it as my daily driver. I have a 3900X, 2070 Super, do machine learning, VR development, game playing, peg it at 100% CPU overnight and I haven't had a blue screen since I bought it.

Buy the wrong laptop with shitty drivers, though, and BSOD is a way of life. Although Microsoft cracked down hard on this over the last decade, the WHQL initiative. They were well aware Windows stability was suffering at the hands of third parties, and put processes in place to validate their work.

And OS X, since it barely has to work with third party drivers, is more or less rock solid. You buy a MacBook Pro, plug an Apple mouse in and use it like that for years, maybe you never see a fault.

When it does interact with third party devices in my experience it's not better than Windows. Bluetooth handling in particular is quite poor.

This wasn't intended to be some kind of argument. Defending MS on the internet is of zero interest to me. I was intending to say, if you're forced to use Windows professionally and it's not stable, you absolutely do not have to put up with that. I don't.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

garaetjjte wrote: post #211
STRML wrote: post #209

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If you're having color banding, you may need to force RGB on your external monitor [1]. I had to do this a few years ago, it massively improved the picture. That said, I was in disbelief that this was a problem that both was common enough to be all over the Internet, and so involved to fix. Amazes me that OSX doesn't simply have an advanced setting for RGB/YPrPb, and instead requires that you boot into Recovery Mode…

That's.. very weird to pick chroma subsampled format by default when RGB or 4:4:4 is available. Anyway, low-dpi screens on macOS are so blurry because it doesn't do font hinting.

Windows does subsampling by default. The whole point of subsampling is that it looks better than just 4:4:4.

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

matsemann wrote: post #142
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19

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I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

Yes. Every MacOS update is a shitshow of things that stop working. My company always have to send out a message to everyone asking them not to update when a new OS version is out, until it's been tested some more. Always break something.

We do this in IT for windows. A mac update is exactly like a win10 version update, and both require testing before rolling out. We spend months testing Windows10 version updates. You just don't see it because its all behind the scenes. Right now we're committed to ONE win10 upgrade a year due to this.

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Post by danielscrubs »

donmcronald wrote: post #247
fortran77 wrote: post #239

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Windows 10 has been the most reliable, productive, stable system for me over the past few years. No doubt they use a lot of automated testing -- how could they not? But today's Windows 10 is -very- reliable.

It's filled with enough annoyances for me to be frustrating at times. The night light is awful and blasts you with full blue light whenever monitors come out of standby mode and then it'll be "On" but not actually on until you toggle it. Lately explorer hasn't been refreshing properly, so when I create a new folder I need to right-click, refresh before I see it and can rename it. Things that auto-install drive me cra…

Yesterday I had the sound not working, it said 97% volume and the correct sound output, increased it to 98% and suddenly it works...
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