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Meritocracies Are Unfair – and That's the Point

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Re: Meritocracies Are Unfair – and That's the Point

#41
The author accidentally touches on the blind spot of American meritocracy, but speeds on and never looks back:

> There’s nothing fair about the fact that some people are born into good circumstances which confer a tremendous headstart in life. There’s nothing fair about the fact that so many of society’s most accomplished individuals grew up in upper-middle-class families that nurtured them, raised them well, and gave them access to highly regarded schools and teachers.

If you consider “meritocracy” to begin when someone applies for their first job, you might not care about that. But there are two glaring problems:

One, on an individual level, selecting the best at a given point in time ignores less measurable attributes, like “grit”. The candidate from a poor background who went to an okay school at night while working to support their family may be more motivated to improve than someone who coasted by at a good school due to parental connections.

Two, on a societal level, being born into good circumstances in no way correlates with innate abilities. By privileging those who grow up in higher socioeconomic classes, we are leaving behind individuals who have undiscovered latent talents that might otherwise make large societal contributions.

Without fixing those two things, it’s extraordinarily unlikely that meritocracy will produce “peak performance”.

Re: Meritocracies Are Unfair – and That's the Point

#44

The problem is meritocracy can be gamed to be unfair by selling the perception of improved performance. Giving off a perception of peak performance is trivial for those that know how to shmooze, get that title bump. We see it all the time with celebrities getting their kids into nicer schools, dads who own construction companies donating to unis, etc. the list of stereotypes is endless. Biological reality does not re…

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Re: Meritocracies Are Unfair – and That's the Point

#45
post #35

The hardest lesson I ever learned (the hard way!) was that meritocracy doesn't work in practice. At some point in time, some people accumulate more credit/reputation for their work, and can use that to earn more credit more quickly. This then snowballs as these people pull ahead of others out of proportion to their actual contributions. This makes a Meritocracy an unstable equilibrium, and such a system will not rema…

No, meritocracy works fine. It's far from perfect, but the 'special case' you describe is actually rare. There are people who are brilliant and hardworking in the academic sense slinging coffee for life, because both those attributes will result in 'good grades' which is a really good proxy for other things in life.

Interesting!

Do you have a specific example where it seemed to work fine for you?

(The example where I learned was in diverse web communities, including Wikimedia.)

Re: Meritocracies Are Unfair – and That's the Point

#46

The author accidentally touches on the blind spot of American meritocracy, but speeds on and never looks back: > There’s nothing fair about the fact that some people are born into good circumstances which confer a tremendous headstart in life. There’s nothing fair about the fact that so many of society’s most accomplished individuals grew up in upper-middle-class families that nurtured them, raised them well, and gav…

The article literally lists examples of things that would help people with undiscovered latent talents. Access to education, unemployment insurance, universal basic income...

Re: Meritocracies Are Unfair – and That's the Point

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post #31

Many people, including me, feel differently about two different kinds of unfairness: * We are OK with the unfairness that stems from "winning the genetic lottery," which confers an unfair advantage regardless of the socioeconomic background of parents . Most of us want a society in which the most able, talented, hard-working, persistent among us can put those qualities to work for their most productive uses. * We are…

I would offer the friendly suggestion that perhaps the concept of fairness is not even relevant here.

We want the most competent people to be in positions of responsibility. This is not a fair distribution of responsibility. The fairest system would be a lottery: picking people completely randomly, without regard to socioeconomic status or "merit".

Given that we want the most competent people to be in positions of responsibility, "winning the genetic lottery" is ok, because some people are just born with natural talents. But "winning the socioeconomic lottery" is not ok, because there's no apparent correlation between the wealth of your parents and your personal competence.

Again, fairness is tangential to this problem.

Re: Meritocracies Are Unfair – and That's the Point

#48
"A meritocracy excels at producing wealth and economic prosperity. "

it does? tens of millions of people are going to be evicted next week even though there are vast sums of money that could be used to help these people. So yes there's "wealth" but the "prosperity" is reserved for a select few. the rest are discarded like trash.

"Universal basic income"

we have that?

"universal healthcare"

we have that?

"unemployment insurance, better public schooling and free job trainings"

not much ?

"these are the kind of Social Justice programs that can share the resulting prosperity among everyone."

but...they DON'T, since there are hardly are any such programs, and what "programs" manage to exist are continuously under threat of being dissolved by those who feel they are "without merit". The ultimate end of a "meritrocratic" system is that when these "meritous" people are rewarded all their well deserved wealth, these lucky few deem everyone else to be "without merit". also commonly referred to as "fuck you, I got mine".

Re: Meritocracies Are Unfair – and That's the Point

#49
Meritocracies work in a very formalized context, like sports, where you can have a single criterion that can be measured objectively and determines the whole activity, because it's possible to prevent gaming of the criteria (even in sports you have this problem with illegal stimulants). The point is sophistry, when you say unbiased clearly nobody is including merit as one of the biases, the problem with meritocracy is that people actually believe in it outside of very specific conditions that make it possible and then confuse non-meritous biases that have yielded profit/status for merit.

Re: Meritocracies Are Unfair – and That's the Point

#50
post #22

I think the author has a very different definition of "fair" than what I usually think of it (free from favoritism; conforming to established rules; see https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fair ).

One reason why life isn't fair is that there are contradictory definitions of fair. Unfairness is a poor criticism of any system, because there isn't a completely fair system.

Which makes all this mainly about personal values and not "objective truths".
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