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Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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I would suggest Hetzner's storage share (their managed Nextcloud hosting) [1]. Their pricing starts at €2.90/mo for 100GB of storage, which is significantly cheaper than what is mentioned in the post ($5/mo for 25GB). [1] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share

Why can't these services have a more realistic pricing model. Like you pay once for storage, and per amount of data used, and power?

Paying a monthly fee for data you don't access seems like a dishonest pricing model. (I can see that a part of the fee has to be per-month, but it shouldn't be so large).

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Can any nextcloud user suggest why to use nextcloud instead of a network drive for a small office where everything is done offline and within LAN ? Mapped network drive is painlessly easy. Open file manager, click any file and you are there. There isnt much for "collaboration" when you can just talk face to face. I really want to use nextcloud for managing files but I could not find a satisfactory answer. Oh, I have…

I've used FreeNas for some years in out startup and now NextCloud for some years at home. FreeNas feels much more stable. If you only work in an office I'd use network drives they are less hassle than syncing (though mixed environments with osx and smb are a pain) If you need the files with you, use NextCloud.

Oh.. yeah. A bunch of laptops have Linux on them and it gets tiring sometimes to having to overwrite each file when saving. Though fuse is supposed to fix that on plasma at least.

I kinda havent switched because of that reason only. I dont need data outside of the lan network and for outside I use zerotier so I always have that network drive.

Good to have options. Maybe one day I might switch everyone but that would be a lot of trouble

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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I would suggest Hetzner's storage share (their managed Nextcloud hosting) [1]. Their pricing starts at €2.90/mo for 100GB of storage, which is significantly cheaper than what is mentioned in the post ($5/mo for 25GB). [1] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share

Does Hetzner's storage share also have snapshots or backups?

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Selfhosting is neat until you really start thinking about durability, reliability, quality, integrity. Never self-host important data with at least doubly redundant backups incl. regular offline backups. On that thought, also never have a single authoritative copy without backup online. If all important photos are on Google Photos with no backup, you're doing it wrong. If you have important data in Onedrive with the convenient sync enabled from multiple PCs and maybe your phone, it's not safe, all these clients have write access. Same for nextcloud.

I employ a "spider" system. I use paid online storage like Onedrive, S3, Azureblob or Gdrive, or Fastmail for email and calendar and contacts, but pull all data from their primary hosting location and then disperse it into multiple cloud copies plus local plus distributed local offline (in intervals). All spider copies are encrypted either using GPG or symmetric encryption. I can access all spider target locations with credentials I know by heart or have offline backups of them, and I can also access or know the encryption keys required to access the data itself.

I also keep an encrypted emergency copy of my most important data on my phone's storage.

In such a system, it's perfectly fine to use Google storage + Azure storage + S3 and whatnot provider, as long as you have a sound system and encrypt your data. They can deliver important features you cannot deliver yourself at reasonable cost.

Nothing is free.

Essentially, to safeguard the most important personal data, the exact same methods and knowledge that a system engineer who designs a storage layer as part of business critical infrastructure should be applied.

Nextcloud is just too messy and complex. I don't want to spent a lot of time managing its lifecycle, testing updates before deploying them to production, etc. I trust accomplished vendors to host production copies of my data as a service, and take responsibility from there. Sure it's easy enough to deploy some piece of open source software and update it continuously, but I suppose the work that goes into making it a high-quality service, like testing updates with duplicate data before letting a new software version lose on your important personal data master copies, is something I doubt few people are putting in.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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I use Nextcloud for the calendar, the to-do deck and to access my Samba shares over HTTPS. That said, I would never put anything important on it. I had at least 5 upgrades in the past 2 years result in total failure, with an unrecoverable instance and corrupted DB.

I run several nextcloud instances and never had the slightest trouble upgrading through several Debian versions and many Nextcloud releases.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention you’re less likely to get hit with ransomware. Nextcloud pwnage seems much more likely.

Putting anything behind a firewall in combination with a VPN can be relatively turn key and self patching without too much effort. Docker wi5 a tool like proxmox can go a very, very long way in a matter of a few days... and provide near identical vps maintainability. Hardware is much more reliable and self monitoring than it used to be.

None of this deals with ransomware

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

I hear your point (2 young kids) and there’s plenty of things I’ve done that with, but this isn’t one of them. I have a Synology NAS and probably spend less than 5 mins a month on it.

I think synology NAS are great, and thats exactly what they are designed to do.

My problem with them is, i don't need as much storage and would orefer more CPU

Synology has this habbit of equipping their lower end models eith too little RAM and underpowered CPU

It is also harder to share it, as the 'owner' can usually see all data thats in it

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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post #42

I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

I can attest that -even with kids- this is almost set-and-forget.

  sudo docker run -d --restart=always -v :/var/www/html --name nextcloud --network=host nextcloud
If you want to get fancy with a MySQL database just make:

  sudo docker run -d --restart=always -v :/var/lib/mysql --name=mysql --network=host -e MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD=hunter2 mysql

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

#149

I would suggest Hetzner's storage share (their managed Nextcloud hosting) [1]. Their pricing starts at €2.90/mo for 100GB of storage, which is significantly cheaper than what is mentioned in the post ($5/mo for 25GB). [1] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share

Why can't these services have a more realistic pricing model. Like you pay once for storage, and per amount of data used, and power? Paying a monthly fee for data you don't access seems like a dishonest pricing model. (I can see that a part of the fee has to be per-month, but it shouldn't be so large).

How is it more realistic to have somebody maintain hardware and software over time, and not pay for that service over time? Their business doesn't care if "you only buy the hard drive once".

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used FreeNas for some years in out startup and now NextCloud for some years at home. FreeNas feels much more stable. If you only work in an office I'd use network drives they are less hassle than syncing (though mixed environments with osx and smb are a pain) If you need the files with you, use NextCloud.

Oh.. yeah. A bunch of laptops have Linux on them and it gets tiring sometimes to having to overwrite each file when saving. Though fuse is supposed to fix that on plasma at least. I kinda havent switched because of that reason only. I dont need data outside of the lan network and for outside I use zerotier so I always have that network drive. Good to have options. Maybe one day I might switch everyone but that would…

+1 for zerotier - I use NextCloud over zerotier.
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