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Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Not even to mention the willfully broken font rendering on all peripherals that are not "retina enough" since a few versions ago. Using my work macbook with my trusty 16:10 monitors with 1920x1200 resolution in the home office is a literal eye sore since it's impossible to get a clear font image. The company had to send over a retina-enough screen... The worst font rendering Linux ever had is still better what macOS…

If you're having color banding, you may need to force RGB on your external monitor [1]. I had to do this a few years ago, it massively improved the picture. That said, I was in disbelief that this was a problem that both was common enough to be all over the Internet, and so involved to fix. Amazes me that OSX doesn't simply have an advanced setting for RGB/YPrPb, and instead requires that you boot into Recovery Mode…

That's.. very weird to pick chroma subsampled format by default when RGB or 4:4:4 is available.

Anyway, low-dpi screens on macOS are so blurry because it doesn't do font hinting.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Not even to mention the willfully broken font rendering on all peripherals that are not "retina enough" since a few versions ago. Using my work macbook with my trusty 16:10 monitors with 1920x1200 resolution in the home office is a literal eye sore since it's impossible to get a clear font image. The company had to send over a retina-enough screen... The worst font rendering Linux ever had is still better what macOS…

"apple-blessed displays" means "displays that have a pixel density that is appropriate to the year 2020", not necessarily screens that were manufactured by apple

That's beside the point.

There are a lot of non high dpi devices out there. The majority of screens are. Whether it's your personal one (and you can't or don't want to change it) or a professional one (and your company may not want or be able to justify changing dozens of screens), you need to use them.

It's possible to display properly and cleanly on them, everyone else does it. It's not as great as on a high dpi obviously, but it's perfectly sevicable for its need.

Apple with osx is the only major os that fails to do it, either through incompetence, malice or just pure disdain for their users facing that scenario.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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I'd be very curious to see a deep root-cause-analysis of this, especially because it seems to be SSD-specific and in the "detect if the drive is an SSD and do something slightly different" way, which IMHO is not good behaviour in general as it is leaking the abstraction. I wonder if a VM simulating a virtual SSD hosted on a machine with a regular HDD would be able to reproduce this bug, but then again, recent Windows…

> "detect if the drive is an SSD and do something slightly different" way, which IMHO is not good behaviour in general as it is leaking the abstraction.

I'd argue the opposite. Thin or leaking abstractions are how operating systems and video games harness the full potential of the hardware. Trade-offs are ugly nonetheless.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Looking beyond the obvious problem here, just curious why the admin ran chkdsk /f for no reason, then did it on 6 more systems after observing it caused ntfs failure.

I'd do the same and for me, the reason would probably be trust.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Yes, HP seems really like worse machines. I just set the max. CPU to 80% because of the costant fan noise. He is quiet now but also slower (of course). Also just the sound driver is around 500MB in RAM, serious? Lucky me I have 32GB. Since I work in a large company, I have nothing to say about the computer brand. At home I'm a happy Fujitsu user since many years.

ZBook 15 here (2014) and no such problems. I always used it with Ubuntu so they seem related to Windows. Strange because one expects that HP optimize their hw and sw for Windows.

I have a ZBook 15 G3, from 2016, I think. No stability issues at all (running Windows 10, but the cooling is crap, which in turn means the fan noise is really annoying.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Overwhelming desire to run this wusa /uninstall /KB:4592438 should I?

I've never run chkdsk /f on Windows 10 or really even since Windows 8 came out TBH.

So many people are claiming they loved Windows 7 so much, but the irony is Windows 7 was the last Windows OS where chkdsk /f was actually needed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Overwhelming desire to run this wusa /uninstall /KB:4592438 should I?

No need. This is just as overblown a reaction. First of all there's no reason to ever run chkdsk/f in the first place if there are no problems with your SSD. Secondly, just never use chkdsk /f - chkdsk /scan is faster, requires no restart and no further action is needed if no problems were found. Problems can be fixed using chkdsk /spotfix otherwise, which doesn't cause any problems.

But if you ask "how to fix problems in Windows" you're likely to end up reading a guide[1] [2] [3] [4] that suggests "run chkdsk /f". Why? Because the diagnostic tools available to most users are so poor that shotgun debugging is the only option. And /spotfix is too new to have made a dent in 30 years of being told that's the way you do it. (This is the first time I've heard of that option.) The internet is very bad at forgetting.

[1] https://www.partitionwizard.com/partitionmagic/hard-drive-re...

[2] https://fossbytes.com/repair-corrupted-hard-drive-fix-disk/

[3] https://winbuzzer.com/2020/04/20/windows-10-how-to-run-chkds...

[4] https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10...

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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On work, I never had so much trouble, like with my HP ZBook and Win10. It had already once a complete reset, but still, I have a lot of trouble. Special since the new BIOS update about a month ago, it crashes once or twice a day again. In theorie Win10 looks nice. I tryed to upgrade one of my notebooks at home from Win7 to Win10. Privacy is one thing, but CandyCrush and things like that, was a totaly show stopper for…

Candy Crush et al. is uninstallable with three clicks. And that’s it, slightly annoying, but it won’t slow down your machine or anything.

Install 0 clicks, uninstall 3 clicks plus slight annoyance. Multiply by whatever autoinstall Windows Store crap Microsoft is pushing at any given time.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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SATA Link Power Management (LPM) and Device-Initiated Power Management (DIPM) could also be the culprit here with similar symptoms - after using the computer for a while, the SSD will stop responding to I/O activities, leaving you a half-dead system. Existing programs like a browser, taskbar or window manager will still work for a while, until they need I/O too, eventually everything will be progressively dead. It sh…

Thanks, as this is an AMD Notebook with an PCIe NVMe SSD i'm not sure the SATA Link Power Management is applicable. I've turned off the PCIe Link Power Management though, sadly without improvements. I have to say this problem ONLY appears when DELETING these specific 4gb zip files. I really can't reproduce this in any other way.

Okay, it appears not to be your problem then, don't forget to switch the option back to save power when you've finished troubleshooting. I must suspect that the other comment on TRIM might be relevant...

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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HP's drivers are the worst I came across. We got HP Elitebook notebooks at work a few years ago and replaced them with Lenovo and Dell because the HPs kept crashing and slowing down over time. Their "utility" software like HP Sure Click slowed the whole system down and turned into nagware. There were at least 3 HP programs hogging the tray area and made discovery of my actually wanted tray icons hard. On top of that…

Secret to a (semi)happy life with HP - Identify the hardware and install drivers directly from the manufacturer (or any other company, like Lenovo heh) and do not install any HP software, ever .

On work I have no rights to do that. There are hundrets of ZBooks in the company and every one has different troubles with it. Is it to much to ask it has just to run troublefree. We all just wanna use it. It just has to work, like a car or whatever. computers are just tools to make our life more easy. I'm to old to spend more time with my computer on work just for fun. My time on work cost money.
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