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Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by armada651 »

throwii wrote: post #181
AsyncAwait wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the same. In fact my Arch Linux laptop seems way more dependable than my 2016 MBP, so much so I switched my work MBP for an Arch setup too. I'm actually seriously thinking of replacing macOS with Windows on the MBP, which is not something I'd ever consider back in the Snow Leopard days.

Does the displays on Windows look as crispy as on MacOS? That's the fear I have of switching away. I love how crisp to the eye everything is.

On Windows you decide how crisp you want your display. There are plenty of hardware options with Retina-equivalent DPI.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by nikanj »

jiggawatts wrote: post #179
londons_explore wrote: post #155

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I suspect that search indexing is slow and you weren't patient enough. Leave that machine a week and everything will be indexed...

A week!?! What planet are you from that it takes a server nearly 170 hours of processing time to index... what... a few dozen kilobytes? And why, for the love of god why, does it have to index the Start Menu!? Why isn't it indexed synchronously on install!? Why does it even need indexing in the first place!? Do you have any idea how few milliseconds it takes to just brute-force search through a few dozen KB of text?…

You get neither bonuses nor kudos for implementing a bruteforce solution. A self-healing machine-learning AI-based n-dimensional hyperindex search sounds much better, and is the natural choice for any career-conscious programmer

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by nikanj »

foepys wrote: post #168
londons_explore wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that search indexing is slow and you weren't patient enough. Leave that machine a week and everything will be indexed...

No, Windows regularly changes the index order and "learns" what you commonly type and what you click for which phrase. This leads to absurd situations where the index show different programs for each letter. For example on my machine: Up > Windows Update first Upd > Lenovo System Update first Upda > Windows Update first Update > Lenovo System Update is the only result When I search for Visual Studio, only a few progr…

But it’s /learning/. That’s a big buzzword these days

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by rzzzt »

Roritharr wrote: post #184
segfaultbuserr wrote: post #114

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SATA Link Power Management (LPM) and Device-Initiated Power Management (DIPM) could also be the culprit here with similar symptoms - after using the computer for a while, the SSD will stop responding to I/O activities, leaving you a half-dead system. Existing programs like a browser, taskbar or window manager will still work for a while, until they need I/O too, eventually everything will be progressively dead. It sh…

Thanks, as this is an AMD Notebook with an PCIe NVMe SSD i'm not sure the SATA Link Power Management is applicable. I've turned off the PCIe Link Power Management though, sadly without improvements. I have to say this problem ONLY appears when DELETING these specific 4gb zip files. I really can't reproduce this in any other way.

Someone suggested on-access-antivirus/Defender being the culprit, those want to take a peek inside the files, and that might take a long time to unpack. Try excluding the folder they are in before deleting.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by throwii »

armada651 wrote: post #191
throwii wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the displays on Windows look as crispy as on MacOS? That's the fear I have of switching away. I love how crisp to the eye everything is.

On Windows you decide how crisp you want your display. There are plenty of hardware options with Retina-equivalent DPI.

I was probably too much into their marketing. Is it the same for Linux/Archlinux?

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by Roritharr »

noja wrote: post #98
Roritharr wrote: post #93

I have a very strange SSD related bug at the moment on that Windows version too: I've downloaded my Google Takeout Backup, so 74 4GB sized zips. After I was done extracting them and storing them on Dropbox, I tried to delete the zip files, but my machine froze without so much of a bluescreen. After a hard reboot, I could reproduce the behavior. I can still change the focus of apps, but everything that requires the ss…

Sounds like an anti-virus problem. What happens if you delete it from the command prompt or powershell?

powershell and commandprompt sadly create the same result, but thanks for the suggestion.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by Fnoord »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #125
bzzzt wrote: post #123

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I don’t know, but if you’re shipping mainboards with soldered on RAM it could be worth it to test the modules before soldering to reduce the amount of returns where you have to replace the entire board.

Dram, Flash, CPUs, GPUs and most other high-margin chips made by established manufacturers(Intel, Micron, Samsung, TI, NXP, etc.) are tested to some degree at the fab before packaging. It's very common in the semiconductor industry. That doesn't mean parts with some defects don't sneak into the final products but the rate is low enough that testing each chip you receive is not monetary feasible for consumer products…

In USA you don't have 2 years warranty as consumer; in EU you do. And even on top of that a defect in hardware might even be covered after 2 years.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by m463 »

ashleyn wrote: post #21
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

I've been mostly Linux since 2011 and the few times I had to install Win10 for something I've been very displeased. We've fallen quite far in Windows, with ads everywhere, hundreds of services that do God-knows-what, fresh installs that break as soon as the updater runs for the first time. I'm really not impressed and I try to use it as little as possible. Just a bloated, unstable mess designed to sell Microsoft's va…

> Just a bloated, unstable mess designed to sell Microsoft's value-added services.

...by subtracting value

It's almost like a zero-sum game.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by 2ion »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

Not even to mention the willfully broken font rendering on all peripherals that are not "retina enough" since a few versions ago. Using my work macbook with my trusty 16:10 monitors with 1920x1200 resolution in the home office is a literal eye sore since it's impossible to get a clear font image. The company had to send over a retina-enough screen...

The worst font rendering Linux ever had is still better what macOS does today to non-apple-blessed displays. It's a blurry mess.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by beardyw »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #147
fakedang wrote: post #88

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This. MacOS fans will sing praises of Apple, while discounting that Apple messes up even though they have very few hardware types to service compared to Windows. And they still screw it up big time - I haven't moved to BigSur for this reason. That being said, Windows 10 cannot be in the business of "ship and keep calm", due to the number of businesses and governments relying on Windows.

This is what I tell every macOS user looking to try Linux. Pick hardware that is officially supported. In every Linux thread on HN, macOS fans seem to disregard the fact that Linux has to support so many more hardware configs entirely. In fact they'd compare the experience of them installing Ubuntu on a $300 Best Buy laptop they got for $150 on Black Friday and wonder why the experience isn't up to par compared to th…

I fully agree. I ducked out of Windows when Win7 support ended early this year and loaded Ubuntu on my aged laptop. My experience was ok enough. When it finally died in the summer I bought a well specced laptop loaded with Ubuntu from a Linux specialist (Entroware here in UK), and even now I am knocked out by how great the experience is. Now I would never want to go back to Windows.
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