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Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by bayindirh »

alternatetwo wrote: post #64
reitzensteinm wrote: post #44

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You might want to run memcheck on the machine. Windows is terrible in many ways, but having regular blue screens is not at all normal.

For me, a system that ran Win7 fine for years, has now bluescreended a far too high amount, and wiped notepad++ sessions etc more than once ... So it can't be the hardware.

My system blew a RAM chip after 6 years. Changed the RAM and it's all good again.

We sometimes fry CPUs, memory controllers or RAM at office. Even a well cooled component has a lifetime and eventually gives up.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by bserge »

pmontra wrote: post #144
_trampeltier wrote: post #82

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Yes, HP seems really like worse machines. I just set the max. CPU to 80% because of the costant fan noise. He is quiet now but also slower (of course). Also just the sound driver is around 500MB in RAM, serious? Lucky me I have 32GB. Since I work in a large company, I have nothing to say about the computer brand. At home I'm a happy Fujitsu user since many years.

ZBook 15 here (2014) and no such problems. I always used it with Ubuntu so they seem related to Windows. Strange because one expects that HP optimize their hw and sw for Windows.

Windows 10 has a lot of issues on the ZBook G1/G2. It's even worse when installed under UEFI, so it could be HP's shoddy firmware. Windows 7 is rock stable, though.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by aruggirello »

stinos wrote: post #107
ashleyn wrote: post #21

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I've been mostly Linux since 2011 and the few times I had to install Win10 for something I've been very displeased. We've fallen quite far in Windows, with ads everywhere, hundreds of services that do God-knows-what, fresh installs that break as soon as the updater runs for the first time. I'm really not impressed and I try to use it as little as possible. Just a bloated, unstable mess designed to sell Microsoft's va…

It's a bit hard to take this serious because of the hyperbole, but I'll bite on the services bit: how is that different? Supose you didn't use linux for a decade, then went to a linux box with a desktop environment and looked at the process list: how different is that from 'hundreds of services that do Go-knows-what'? I mean I use it daily and don't know what half of them do.

> how different is that ... I use it daily and don't know what half of them do.

knowing what the other half does is usually a couple clicks away on the web, a 'man ...' away in the terminal, sources are usually available at a similar distance, and most of these services can be stopped and (forever?) disabled with a 'systemctl stop/disable ...' (you might even go the extra step and apt remove them). Trimming down stuff that you know you don't need is a pleasure (assuming you know what you're doing), and the end result is a leaner, faster system. Eg. after I installed AnyDesk, I didn't like that it started with the system (I'm paranoid, and I'm only using it occasionally), so I systemctl disabled it. This doesn't stop me from using it when I need (that is, to assist others. In the rare events when I need remote access to my system, I just use a reverse SSH tunnel, which is more practical for me)

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by bserge »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #70
EvanAnderson wrote: post #30

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Windows 7 was peak desktop Windows. Server 2012 R2 was the peak on the server side. Everything after has been downhill.

Still on Windows 7! Gonna keep using it until it gets rooted, then format and install linux.

I gave up and installed it on some machines. Feels like a damn upgrade! Unified, customizable UI, better performance, better Search, local accounts, smaller footprint :D

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by bserge »

Roritharr wrote: post #93

I have a very strange SSD related bug at the moment on that Windows version too: I've downloaded my Google Takeout Backup, so 74 4GB sized zips. After I was done extracting them and storing them on Dropbox, I tried to delete the zip files, but my machine froze without so much of a bluescreen. After a hard reboot, I could reproduce the behavior. I can still change the focus of apps, but everything that requires the ss…

I had a very similar issue. Samsung 860 Pro, system somehow got slower and slower until it froze. After a hard reboot, my partitions on 2 dynamic drives were gone. Easily restored with Testdisk, but that was a weird one. Never had it happen again.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by sokoloff »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #125
bzzzt wrote: post #123

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I don’t know, but if you’re shipping mainboards with soldered on RAM it could be worth it to test the modules before soldering to reduce the amount of returns where you have to replace the entire board.

Dram, Flash, CPUs, GPUs and most other high-margin chips made by established manufacturers(Intel, Micron, Samsung, TI, NXP, etc.) are tested to some degree at the fab before packaging. It's very common in the semiconductor industry. That doesn't mean parts with some defects don't sneak into the final products but the rate is low enough that testing each chip you receive is not monetary feasible for consumer products…

We did a study on how often we used AppleCare vs the cost and, to no one’s surprise, AppleCare is not financially worthwhile on computers if the small chance of having to replace the hardware won’t be a significant hurdle. (It doesn’t cover liquid damage, which are a significant fraction of early hardware replacement.)

We do BYOD on phones, so don’t have data there.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by egwor »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #19
game_the0ry wrote: post #9

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

I have the exact opposite experience. We're running an older version of Office (2016?) at work with Windows 7. Thse are supported by MS via the extended support contracts. It will be upgraded shortly. Basically I get blue screens, rendering issues, slowness, freezing, crashing, random glitches. I regularly lose emails. The changes to Outlook are abysmal too. When a meeting invite I've accepted is amended (e.g. a 'Starting in 5 minutes email or update'), the calendar invite is no longer accepted so the reminder doesn't pop up. Whomever decided that un-accepted invites shouldn't pop up, has caused so much upset, tears and hate. I would describe my windows machine as entirely useless. It has got so bad that I use my iPhone to respond to emails and to use the calendar features. I've been considering learning some .NET to write a pop up app that is always on top so that when there's a meeting it shows up. Has anyone done that? It seems pretty basic.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by stinos »

aruggirello wrote: post #173
stinos wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit hard to take this serious because of the hyperbole, but I'll bite on the services bit: how is that different? Supose you didn't use linux for a decade, then went to a linux box with a desktop environment and looked at the process list: how different is that from 'hundreds of services that do Go-knows-what'? I mean I use it daily and don't know what half of them do.

> how different is that ... I use it daily and don't know what half of them do. knowing what the other half does is usually a couple clicks away on the web, a 'man ...' away in the terminal, sources are usually available at a similar distance, and most of these services can be stopped and (forever?) disabled with a 'systemctl stop/disable ...' (you might even go the extra step and apt remove them). Trimming down stuf…

You can lookup what processes on windows do as well. You won't get the sources for them usually, but that's what you get for choosing a closed source OS. Similar for disabling them. Since you mention AnyDesk: at least on Windows it also comes as a single portable executable which needs no installation nor extra services i.e. only runs when started manually.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by jiggawatts »

londons_explore wrote: post #155
jiggawatts wrote: post #113

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My favourite Windows bug is the Start Menu search function. Install Windows Server 2016 or 2019 in any manner you choose: Blank VM with ISO image, new Azure VM from Microsoft template, whatever . Try using the Start Menu. Nothing will work. The search upon typing will not show all items. If you click on a search result, it won't launch. Type "SQL" to try and match "Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio" and be shock…

I suspect that search indexing is slow and you weren't patient enough. Leave that machine a week and everything will be indexed...

A week!?!

What planet are you from that it takes a server nearly 170 hours of processing time to index... what... a few dozen kilobytes?

And why, for the love of god why, does it have to index the Start Menu!? Why isn't it indexed synchronously on install!?

Why does it even need indexing in the first place!? Do you have any idea how few milliseconds it takes to just brute-force search through a few dozen KB of text?

I implemented real-time character-by-character completion and search for an index over a 100M records in a web application in 2007. Are you telling me that Microsoft, one of the world's biggest corporations struggles to solve the same problem in a week for an amount of text that a child could index using play cards in a matter of minutes?

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Post by jiggawatts »

taviso wrote: post #54
k_sze wrote: post #16

Has Microsoft acknowledged the problem yet? It's still not listed as a known issue on the update page: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4592438/windows-10-...

That doesn't mean anything, I ran into a bug after 2004 that meant DPAPI protected secrets would be randomly corrupted. It was an incredibly frustrating bug that cost me a bunch of data. After a few months without progress, I ended up debugging the problem myself and mailing them an analysis. It's still not fixed, and not on that known issues page. I wrote a twitter thread about it here: https://twitter.com/taviso/st…

Impressive sleuthing.
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