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Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

Well, to be honest I much prefer - and trust - fully automated test pipelines to manuality. It affords more frequent and thorough verification of the final artifacts. The problem comes when the automation is only partial because added at a later stage, and the existing software does not lend itself to testing. The risk there is that some short-sighted line manager will go “YOLO, I have a deadline” and skip the tests…

The other problem with the type of "in the field" testing that Microsoft does is that it can only capture issues that it can physically report back to the head office.

I had two separate computers with very distinct hardware that both failed to upgrade to any of the semi-annual Windows releases. They would just get stuck in a reboot loop at the SSD storage driver loading section of the installer, which means that no errors could be written. Hence, no specific errors could ever be sent back to Microsoft other than "failed".

I eventually found a workaround myself, but the root cause was never fixed, and will never be fixed, because Microsoft is blind to it.

Similarly, anything that causes a BSOD gets reported back via telemetry, but hangs and freezes aren't. Random performance issues, glitches, etc... are in the same bucket of permanently invisible issues.

If you're wondering why Windows is crashing less but glitching more... there's your answer.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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No idea if this will help, but I had some instability on my macbook last year after getting my screen replaced. I ran memtest86 on the machine (using a UEFI USB image) and after a few hours it reported memory errors. I took it back to the genius bar and explained the situation. After reproducing the problem using their own internal tool they replaced the motherboard for free of charge and I haven't had any problems s…

I have had exactly same issue, though with third party service. They replaced the screen, and when I came home it froze one time, and started beeping 3 times indicating ram problems. Because it was iMac, i had a chance to rearrange RAMs to boot up but it still was freezing up at times. I ran memcheck, found errors, and then figured out which ram planks was faulty. The thing is that the issue started long before that,…

I've fixed two MacBooks with "faulty" RAM for family friends, it was a funny experience...

The first one just needed a cleanup and some new thermal pastes. But afterwards, when I was test driving the laptop, I found the machine started to crash randomly - the OS was a fresh install. And later, I found whenever I put the laptop on the metal chassis on my PC (it was on the same table), it could trigger a kernel panic. Oh no, did I accidentally shorted something on the motherboard to the chassis? I reopened the machine and reseated the board but it didn't solve the problem. I also tried to reproduce the problem with a multimeter probe, but it didn't work. I got the final breakthrough while searching the web using the laptop while lying on a sofa - whenever my lap kicked the bottom cover, it would crash instantly!

The DIMMs came loose. Reseating it fixed the problem - the machine was previously dropped, which also explained the cracked plastic I saw on the battery.

Coincidentally, one day later, another family friend (with absolute no relation or knowledge about the former one) sent me a message, showing a MacBook with random screen corruptions. I said "you're out of luck, better to get a replacement from Apple." Later, I was also told that screen corruption was not the only problem - whenever a spot near the keyboard was punched, it would promptly crash! I couldn't stop laughing, "Okay, just send it to me, it's a 5 minute fix..." And yes, the machine was previously dropped by kids.

Nowadays, most MacBooks come with soldered RAMs. But if your machine has sockets, make sure to reseat the RAM and swap the slots first before declaring the death of your motherboard or your RAM.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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For me, OS stability, in decreasing order, has always been: 1. Linux 2. MacOS 10. Windows

Hard to say but for me I would say: 1. Windows 2. MacOS 3. Linux I had more crashes on Linux than any other, all related to the Gpu driver (intel iGpu), and it really depends on the kernel version but newer not necessarily means better. In a VM with i3, it never crashed. But regarding hardware support except for the Gpu, I had better experience with Linux than Windows on the same machine. On Windows my mouse is stutt…

Brother printers are recommended here often, for their good linux support.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

#104
post #65

Looking beyond the obvious problem here, just curious why the admin ran chkdsk /f for no reason, then did it on 6 more systems after observing it caused ntfs failure.

https://m.xkcd.com/242/ maybe. One hopes the reporter had backups (or was testing on disposable systems) before trying to reproduce a data-loss condition.

XKCD has a mobile version?! You learn something new every day!

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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I have the opposite experience. Nothing but Blue Screens on Windows.

Blue screen is almost always a hardware issue, mostl likely ram or gpu related. Another possibility is a bad driver, but windows 10 can gracefully recover from them most of the times.

I haven’t seen it often, but it’s always been extremely impressive to me when my GPU driver crashes and Windows just restarts it without even losing my place in a game.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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I know we're basically comparing anecdotes, but I've been surprised at how much more I've come to trust my windows workstation than my Mac in the past few years. I can't actually remember the last time my Windows workstation crashed outright (if ever?) but my Mac locks up at least 2-3 times per week. I also have to be extremely careful to avoid high memory pressure under Big Sur now, otherwise Finder spirals into a r…

Fair enough, but to be clear - I am not saying that apple software and products are free from problems. Far from it - butterfly keyboard, for example. I am just saying Apple, for me, has the most reliable and consistent experience. And I have tried most options: - windows, linux, and macos for my personal and work machines - android, ios, and even windows phone (remember that?) So far, may experience has been the opp…

Apple is very much a consumer level company. I’ve seen reviews quality wise that they are average with hardware failure rates.

They do try... for instance I’ve heard the reason they always charge more for RAM is labor costs from running additional tests to fail chips other companies ship.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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post #21

This article immediately reminded me of a video I saw a while ago.[1] The long and short - MS basically laid off the staff that tested Windows, and much of it is automated nowadays (I bet the MBA educated executive at MS who was responsible for that got PHAT bonus, at the expense of Windows customers and laid off testing staff, of course). Seems like it happened in 2015, which is why it seems that windows updates hav…

I've been mostly Linux since 2011 and the few times I had to install Win10 for something I've been very displeased. We've fallen quite far in Windows, with ads everywhere, hundreds of services that do God-knows-what, fresh installs that break as soon as the updater runs for the first time. I'm really not impressed and I try to use it as little as possible. Just a bloated, unstable mess designed to sell Microsoft's va…

It's a bit hard to take this serious because of the hyperbole, but I'll bite on the services bit: how is that different? Supose you didn't use linux for a decade, then went to a linux box with a desktop environment and looked at the process list: how different is that from 'hundreds of services that do Go-knows-what'? I mean I use it daily and don't know what half of them do.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

#108

I have a very strange SSD related bug at the moment on that Windows version too: I've downloaded my Google Takeout Backup, so 74 4GB sized zips. After I was done extracting them and storing them on Dropbox, I tried to delete the zip files, but my machine froze without so much of a bluescreen. After a hard reboot, I could reproduce the behavior. I can still change the focus of apps, but everything that requires the ss…

If it happens only on deletion of files, maybe it's something TRIM-related.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

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I feel like Windows Update didn't used to be such a shitshow. Was I just not paying close enough attention a decade ago?

Apparently, Microsoft disbanded the Windows Test team and switched from testing on real hardware to virtualised hardware a few years ago.[1] 1. https://www.ghacks.net/2019/09/23/former-microsoft-employee-...

I reported a bug in late 2017 where the Jet 4.0 binaries shipped in Windows 7 updates was incorrectly compiled with /arch:SSE2 enabled.

Re: Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with KB4592438 installed

#110

I have a very strange SSD related bug at the moment on that Windows version too: I've downloaded my Google Takeout Backup, so 74 4GB sized zips. After I was done extracting them and storing them on Dropbox, I tried to delete the zip files, but my machine froze without so much of a bluescreen. After a hard reboot, I could reproduce the behavior. I can still change the focus of apps, but everything that requires the ss…

Dropbox

Might that be your problem, or part of it? Not 100% sure, but whenever I access machines with Dropbox all kinds of weird things happen like there's a ghost in the machines. E.g. deleting a directory managed by Dropbox through explorer consistently results in all its subdirectories and files deleted, but the directory itself remaining there, requiring deleting it again.

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