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All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the "in a room" is irrelevant to the quote. The entire idea is that people hate being alone with their thoughts and will do nearly anything to avoid being in that situation.

Okay as a personal example I like to take warm showers - they’re extremely comfortable and relaxing - essentially a makeshift sauna. I find that if I’m not deliberate enough about actually completing the shower, I can get lost in my own thoughts and spend over 30 minutes showering. Now I’m certainly more introverted than average, but I would guess that a lot of other people can likewise get lost in their own thoughts…

There is some stimulation there, and you have a task to accomplish even if you don't go about it very steadily. I'm comfortable going for long walks outside alone with my thoughts, even if its far too cold. But the cold, or the sunlight, or the breeze is all stimulation. Being alone in a room for a period with no task to accomplish - or to not accomplish - without stimuli is definitely less comfortable.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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Just my interpretation (of the Pascal quote), beginning with the full quote.

> When I have occasionally set myself to consider the different distractions of men, the pains and perils to which they expose themselves at court or in war, whence arise so many quarrels, passions, bold and often bad ventures, etc., I have discovered that all the unhappiness of men arises from one single fact, that they cannot stay quietly in their own chamber. A man who has enough to live on, if he knew how to stay with pleasure at home, would not leave it to go to sea or to besiege a town. A commission in the army would not be bought so dearly, but that it is found insufferable not to budge from the town; and men only seek conversation and entering games, because they cannot remain with pleasure at home.[139][#201908302349]

This quote is often summarized roughly as: "all of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone." (i.e. the title of this post). Taken out of context, this would seem to suggest (to me) a belief that if we could simply meditate and avoid external distractions (a commission in the army, conversation, games, Pascal suggests), we might find happiness.

However, a reading of the full passage reveals that "on further consideration" he thinks the reason for this is that if we were to sit with our thoughts, the "natural poverty of our feeble and mortal condition" would drive us to despair.

He thinks that someone who truly understands the human condition would do everything they could to avoid sitting alone with their thoughts ("there is nothing they leave undone in seeking turmoil") . We seek diversion because if we didn't have any distraction, we would end up dwelling on the miserable human condition (selfish, pre-occupied with self-gratification, sensitive to the opinion of others, judgmental, etc. - basically, 'sinful').

In the end, he suggests that we should look for happiness externally, in God, which he then talks about a lot.

[#201908302349]: Blaise Pascal (1958): _Pascal's Pensées_, New York: E.P. Dutton.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of cars have radios (and streaming music capability for more modern cars) that serve as "further entertainment."

Indeed, and maybe most would prefer to have something playing, but my point was that most wouldn't have any trouble spending an hour driving without it, even through driving is a fairly "mindless" activity.

But it is an activity.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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I like to say, most people are afraid of being alone with themselves in their head.

It's just practice. Most folks don't know what to do, so when they find themselves alone with their thoughts they instantly decide to leave that state. Its a sort of Attention Deficit thing. With practice you can figure out something to think about when in this state. Review, question, or just observe. Anything can be interesting if you invest it with value and do it deliberately.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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> people detest being made to spend six to 15 minutes in a room by themselves with nothing to do but think – even to the extent of being willing to give themselves mild electric shocks instead

I must be weird, because I don't connect with this at all. I can easily spend hours in daydream, introspective pondering, world building, or creative thinking.

Surely I'm not the only one that finds this article inapplicable?

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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That’s absurd. To take it to extremes, for example, if you made someone sit alone in the freezing cold and they complained, the environment is the issue not their ability to live alone with their thoughts.

Except the room wasn’t cold. The only extreme condition is that it is empty and there is nothing but yourself to inspect and feel.

I would assume the room is an average room, in contrast to a warm you could swim in, trampoline you could play on or similar physical outlets.

The key thing, I would claim, from a "whole person" perspective, is that the contrast is "sit quietly, forget your body entirely and think" and "get stressed by bodily tension and start an uncontrollable argument with yourself" where "bring your mind and body into harmony through movement" isn't an options.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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Why is this the top article on hackewnews without any comments?

Why is it the top article when you can't even read it without a Guardian account?

https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

Because I assume a significant portion of the site has completely forgotten which sites are paywalled.

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