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Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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The hardest thing people need to ween themselves off of is email, which I didn't see mentioned here at all.

Many people don't think there are viable Gmail alternatives, but on Drew DeVault's recommendation I recently switched myself over to using Migadu[1] and the experience has been fantastic.

That said, I am running CalDAV and CardDAV at home on my own hardware, but they do offer a simple version of both that should be usable.

[1]:https://migadu.com

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

I have a lot of self-hosted services, including Nextcloud, and by far the majority of my time spent on the infrastructure is messing around with new stuff and changing things for fun. Actual maintenance time is nearly 0.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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The one thing really keeping me from getting off Google is YouTube. For everything else there are good alternatives. But YouTube really is the only viable player in the online video game.

>The one thing really keeping me from getting off Google is YouTube. For everything else there are good alternatives. But YouTube really is the only viable player in the online video game. The thing I hate most is ads. And YouTube (unless you pay them) gets ever more aggressive with showing ads. The pre-roll ads are bad enough, but interrupting a playing video with a couple of ads (as happened to me the other day) is…

It's usually the content creator who chooses how many ads run in a video and where they appear. I can't really blame them for putting in enough ads to make a living off of it. And nobody is forcing you to watch the ads -- you can get rid of them for $12/mo. Or are you saying that you expect people to produce quality content for you for free?

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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post #72
post #42

I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

I have a lot of self-hosted services, including Nextcloud, and by far the majority of my time spent on the infrastructure is messing around with new stuff and changing things for fun. Actual maintenance time is nearly 0.

That's really reassuring to hear! I'm planning to stick with this for a year or two to see what pain it actually causes me, but I could definitely see maintenance headaches being thing to motivate a switch to something else. Hopefully I have the same experience as you, though!

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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The hardest thing people need to ween themselves off of is email, which I didn't see mentioned here at all. Many people don't think there are viable Gmail alternatives, but on Drew DeVault's recommendation I recently switched myself over to using Migadu[1] and the experience has been fantastic. That said, I am running CalDAV and CardDAV at home on my own hardware, but they do offer a simple version of both that shoul…

I use Protonmail (with a custom domain) for email, so I didn't include anything about that here. It's possible to do with Nextcloud, too (and maybe I should look into it now that I have this.. would probably be cheaper), but seems like a bit more work to set up your own mail server. Several people have recommended mailinabox to me.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Setup nextcloud 2 years ago as part of a FreeNAS install. It runs in a jail and dumps my files to the local, shared filesystem as a result. I also put the nextcloud clients on my phone so that my photos auto-upload to my NAS vs google photos. It's been quite nice to be able to just drop files to it, right click, then share someone a link to those files.

Is this hosted on dynamic IP? How do you handle that so mobile clients can auto-upload to the server?

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Does anybody have a good recommendation for an automated Gmail backup? I am happy using Gmail for now, I just want my own copy of all of my emails that I can search and read - offline if necessary. I tried to use Nextcloud's email app to backup my gmail, but after sending it up I realized that it is just an alternate interface to access email on Google's server, not a proper backup solution. (It only supports IMAP, n…

I recommend using isync (aka mbsync) https://isync.sourceforge.io/ to download an offline, IMAP-style copy of your email; it seems to be faster than offlineimap http://www.offlineimap.org/ which does the same thing. Many people have it run on a simple cron job. You can then use Thunderbird etc. on your full local copy of the mailbox.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

#78

Has anyone setup/used multi user calendaring and contacts on NextCloud? Currently considering this vs. a few standalone docker instances for calendars/contacts for one of my downtime projects over the next few weeks...

I have been running OwnCloud/Nextcloud for a very long time. For me, the Calendar is the killer feature. It Just Works. Everyone in the household has an account and we share calendars with each other. You can use whatever client you want (Thunderbird, Android, Apple devices) but the web UI is really excellent and easy to use as well.

My biggest gripe with Nextcloud is that upgrading between major versions is a pain and they release upgrades often. If my VPS didn't have other duties as well, I would probably switch to a hosted version.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Does anybody have a good recommendation for an automated Gmail backup? I am happy using Gmail for now, I just want my own copy of all of my emails that I can search and read - offline if necessary. I tried to use Nextcloud's email app to backup my gmail, but after sending it up I realized that it is just an alternate interface to access email on Google's server, not a proper backup solution. (It only supports IMAP, n…

Getmail is probably your best bet for an automated email backup - that will fetch your email over IMAP (getmail-gmail-xoauth-tokens can use oauth to connect to IMAP) and store it as a maildir or mbox. You can then use that with whatever client or search system you like.

You could then use this maildir as the backend for a dovecot IMAP server and use any webmail client of your choosing to connect to this and search it etc.

I'd avoid POP3 - very old protocol and it removes your mail from the server (is this your goal?). You're definitely better using IMAP. Even if you want to delete mail from the server, you're probably safer to fetch it by IMAP, then delete it.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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I'm glad some of yall are mentioning cost. These articles while awesome usually don't mention the cost to operate and support such endeavors. I would like to host my own Matrix instance, but I have no idea what the cost would be monthly.

Oracle Cloud has the best Compute/VM Always Free Tier around (2x 1G RAM/50G VMs), which is likely sufficient for a small matrix/synapse server, so realistically you could do it for zero. I don’t know how much network transfer is included in their free tier, however (I’ve looked but never seen it clearly stated anywhere).

Switching from Google Products to hosting parallel products in Oracle Cloud is basically the same as one step forwards, two steps back.
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