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Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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Why should residents who are young and very low risk be a high priority? The answer is simple. They shouldn’t. This is absurd to complain about. Lots of other people should be higher priority. Edit: I’m not surprised at the downvotes, but I’m just laughing. It’s like everybody’s brain has turned to mush! How on earth do you expect them to prioritize these vaccines if not based on age and other risk factors?

“ Residents are doctors in training, who have graduated from medical school.”

It’s because you didn’t read the article. Residents are doctors in training, not just people living there - and they are interacting with sick people.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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Why is Stanford in a position to choose allocations in the first place? I thought the government was going to handle allocations.

The federal government has allocated to states, and pretty much left it up to the states how to allocate internally. With some vague sort of guidelines.

Most states seem to be deciding to prioritize healthcare workers (especially those taking care of covid patients) either entirely or among other groups. So the way you do that is delivering to hospitals makes sense. CA presumably allocated a certain amount to Stanford Medicine, as a large hospital system. I don't know how CA decided what hospitals to give to in what amounts, but it certainly wouldn't shock me if political influence were part of it, why wouldn't it be, what sort of guidelines or transparency is there to stop it? There is not really any written procedure for how to decide which hospitals to get how much in most states, it's just... happening.

Then Stanford was clearly left entirely on their own to decide how to allocate internally.

This is far too important and too politically fraught (political in terms of POWER, in terms of distributing a resource for which demand far exceeds supply for something that can literally be life-and-death) -- to have left it up for everyone to just make up their own prioritization rules and medical ethics determinations on the fly, in a hetereogenous way. It means people will make terrible mistakes, and the powerful will take advantage to have their needs prioritized.

It is ridiculous there aren't much more clear/specific guidelines, and in some cases enforceable policies/regulations, from the federal government. It's like nobody's driving the bus here

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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post #12

The labor of medical residents is something hospital systems exploit during normal times, but that exploitation has severely deepened during the pandemic. At the hospital my partner works at, respiratory therapists and nurses got a $10k bonus for working during COVID; the residents got nothing despite working insane hours in ICU, routinely working more than the legally mandated 90 hours per week. Just because doctors…

> I can name 3 other local hospital systems in my city that have vaccinated administrative & C-suite/VP level staff

I don't understand why society is putting up with this. Right now if you're not in a daily COVID-facing role (i.e. an actual front line medical worker) or in a nursing home you should not be getting the shot. This makes my blood boil. There should have been laws passed regarding ordering of the distribution with criminal penalties for line jumpers like this.

There's an article in our local paper with a happy picture of one of our state's congressional representatives (a healthy 34-year-old!) getting the shot. Like WTF? There's doctors and nurses who are treating covid patients who can't get it yet. Why the heck does Congress get priority over them?

Not only do these people have no shame, half of them even have the nerve to brag about it to the rest of us plebes who will have to wait months or more to get it.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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post #4

Why is Stanford in a position to choose allocations in the first place? I thought the government was going to handle allocations.

the hospital employs somewhere around 30k people. even if they had all 60k doses (two per person) they can't vaccinate everyone at the same time due to potential side effects, so a schedule is needed to avoid an entire department being sick at the same time.

my wife works for the hospital but has been working from home most of the time since covid started. she's low on the priority list because of this, and rightfully so. her co-workers that are treating the (sometimes infected) patients should get access first, if they want it.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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Gross oversight: Veterinarians are not in the first wave of vaccinations, despite being both essential and healthcare workers. The mega corps that own most Vet clinics don't care about them, they have continued operating apace. Meanwhile, corona could be all over the dogs and cats brought in, very few owners sanitize their indoor pets before Vet visits.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

#27
post #11

Why should residents who are young and very low risk be a high priority? The answer is simple. They shouldn’t. This is absurd to complain about. Lots of other people should be higher priority. Edit: I’m not surprised at the downvotes, but I’m just laughing. It’s like everybody’s brain has turned to mush! How on earth do you expect them to prioritize these vaccines if not based on age and other risk factors?

> How on earth do you expect them to prioritize these vaccines if not based on age and other risk factors?

On their required interactions with many infected people, causing them to be risky for spreading the disease and causing labor shortages in the hospital if they are found to be infected.

It makes no more sense to administer the vaccine to an elderly hospital administrator working from home than it does to give it to an elderly professional of any other kind working from home. They should get the vaccine eventually, but they should not be among the first when vaccines are rationed.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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> "[A]lgorithms are made by people and the results ... were reviewed multiple times by people," You got that right. The way they talk about "an algorithm did it" makes it seem as as if they think that somehow explains it, like there was only one algorithm possible handed down from god or something. We'll be seeing more and more of this of course. "We can't be blamed, it was an algorithm! We can't be blamed for trusti…

I think most people are misunderstanding the likely root cause.

> An algorithm was used to assign its first allotment of the vaccine. The algorithm prioritized health care workers at highest risk for COVID infections, along with factors like age and the location or unit where they work in the hospital. Residents did not have an assigned location, and along with their typically young age, they were dropped low on the priority list.

Whoever coded up the algorithm for personal COVID-risk probably forgot to take care of null-states for the location input. Residents had their location set to null, and were therefore prioritized lower than they should've been.

It's possible that the admins purposefully created this null-state bug so as to have a reasonable fallback story in the case they got caught, but per Occam's Razor, I think it's much more likely it was a dumb, honest mistake.

Re: Stanford apologizes after vaccine allocation leaves out medical residents

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> "[A]lgorithms are made by people and the results ... were reviewed multiple times by people," You got that right. The way they talk about "an algorithm did it" makes it seem as as if they think that somehow explains it, like there was only one algorithm possible handed down from god or something. We'll be seeing more and more of this of course. "We can't be blamed, it was an algorithm! We can't be blamed for trusti…

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