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'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

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Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

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> Families of people with dementia land in different places on this issue, but to her, it’s beyond question that Jo is not here anymore; most everything that made him Jo has been stolen. This was very sad, but it's a good articulation of the circumstances where I would rather die than continue living. Has anyone seen a good framework to help think through scenarios like these as part of a will or end-of-life directiv…

There isn't a framework. One of the things the article talks about is that the assisted death law in Canada requires competency at the time of death. Without looking, I expect it's often similar in other places.

When my mom's dementia progressed from a state where she needed a bit of help to where she needed regular attention, I had no qualms about removing myself from the equation, because I think that if she were healthy she would want me to live my life for myself. If that sounds right to you, it's something you can tell your family.

Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

#12

Great Julianne Moore movie about early-onset alzheimer's disease called 'Still Alice'.

Agree, it is very powerful.

2 other very good movies are the Canadian "Away from Her" and the French "Amour". But the plot twist of these two is that they are a view on the ones that remain and see their loved ones fading away.

Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

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post #5

> But when medical assistance in dying became [Canadian] law in 2016, excluded were “advance requests” that would have permitted people with dementia to set out terms for their death while they still had capacity to consent. Tragic. In my country no form of assisted suicide is yet legal, but I've watched my grandmother languish and waste away like this and--should it come to that--I'm firm in my resolve not to subjec…

Yes "death tourism" is a thing and almost a business (business side is highly regulated but some association are borderline). Here in Switzerland where assisted suicide is legal, people from all over Europe are coming to die.

Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

#14
What are the chances we'll find a cure for Alzheimer's using new mRNA vaccine technology?

Edit: Perhaps I should clarify that vaccine and mRNA based treatment approaches for Alzheimer's aren't exactly new and have shown some promise in the past.

Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

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If this happened to me, I would tell my family to kill me in 1 year. We could setup an assisted suicide - I would feel it cruel to force me to live in such a state. If my family refused I would just go sky diving during month 5 and have an amazing decent down. The idea of people caring for me is worse than hell or torture. People should be allowed to die.

Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

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post #10

> Families of people with dementia land in different places on this issue, but to her, it’s beyond question that Jo is not here anymore; most everything that made him Jo has been stolen. This was very sad, but it's a good articulation of the circumstances where I would rather die than continue living. Has anyone seen a good framework to help think through scenarios like these as part of a will or end-of-life directiv…

> good articulation of the circumstances where I would rather die than continue living. I did my alternative civilian service in a nursing home for people with dementia when I was 19. I have noticed 6 stages: 1) Fear that something is wrong with their memory and incredible efforts to hide it (this is usually before they live in a nursing home). 2) Anger, shame and desperation. 3) Internalization, they then either mak…

This doesn't sound all that bad. There are people who lost the will to live in Nazi extermination camps or who died of radiation sickness from the atom bomb. Compared to those two, this is a very pleasant way to exit life.

Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

#17

> Families of people with dementia land in different places on this issue, but to her, it’s beyond question that Jo is not here anymore; most everything that made him Jo has been stolen. This was very sad, but it's a good articulation of the circumstances where I would rather die than continue living. Has anyone seen a good framework to help think through scenarios like these as part of a will or end-of-life directiv…

There isn't a framework. One of the things the article talks about is that the assisted death law in Canada requires competency at the time of death. Without looking, I expect it's often similar in other places. When my mom's dementia progressed from a state where she needed a bit of help to where she needed regular attention, I had no qualms about removing myself from the equation, because I think that if she were h…

What do you mean “removing yourself from the equation”? Abandonment?

Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

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If this happened to me, I would tell my family to kill me in 1 year. We could setup an assisted suicide - I would feel it cruel to force me to live in such a state. If my family refused I would just go sky diving during month 5 and have an amazing decent down. The idea of people caring for me is worse than hell or torture. People should be allowed to die.

This is exactly what Jo from the article wanted.

It turns out that in practice it is quite hard to actually get your loved ones to follow through with clandestinely offing you.

And the state doesn’t offer a mechanism for any kind of advanced end of life request.

Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> good articulation of the circumstances where I would rather die than continue living. I did my alternative civilian service in a nursing home for people with dementia when I was 19. I have noticed 6 stages: 1) Fear that something is wrong with their memory and incredible efforts to hide it (this is usually before they live in a nursing home). 2) Anger, shame and desperation. 3) Internalization, they then either mak…

This doesn't sound all that bad. There are people who lost the will to live in Nazi extermination camps or who died of radiation sickness from the atom bomb. Compared to those two, this is a very pleasant way to exit life.

None of the patients I came in contact with over one year (around 20) had any pain. Physically, they were all surprisingly healthy.

Re: 'I am mine': Alzheimer's at 41 (2018)

#20

> Families of people with dementia land in different places on this issue, but to her, it’s beyond question that Jo is not here anymore; most everything that made him Jo has been stolen. This was very sad, but it's a good articulation of the circumstances where I would rather die than continue living. Has anyone seen a good framework to help think through scenarios like these as part of a will or end-of-life directiv…

There isn't a framework. One of the things the article talks about is that the assisted death law in Canada requires competency at the time of death. Without looking, I expect it's often similar in other places. When my mom's dementia progressed from a state where she needed a bit of help to where she needed regular attention, I had no qualms about removing myself from the equation, because I think that if she were h…

Also, right now in Canada, assisted death is not available if your pain is from mental illness.
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