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California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 days a year in the state

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I took on contract jobs once a while, so far I rejected all the chances from CA, partially due to the 13.5%(?) income tax, that made its price non-competitive, plus, I hate to file a CA state tax, I'm used to no state income tax for decades.

I never live in CA, does not use its transportation/police/schools, why do I need pay for this state income tax shit just for remote work?

Re: California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 days a year in the state

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I'm not sure what the problem is. When Democrat supporters demand more more more via the politicians who promise more more more, where did they think the money would come from? Believe it or not, the bottom ~50% don't have enough money to tax. The next 30-40% have some but not enough to raise enough money to help. The taxes have to be focused on the top 10% and more likely the top 1-3% to raise enough to meet these d…

> where did they think the money would come from? There’s a growing misconception that everything can be paid for by simply taxing the wealthy a tiny bit more. Several prominent activist politicians have built their platforms on the idea that billionaires are an infinite source of consequence-free tax revenue. These ideas are especially popular among the college students and new college grads I mentor. It usually fal…

While I agree with you that the idea there is fundamentally flawed, it does seem like the greatest increases in GDP and growth have occurred when the pareto distribution of wealth was the least skewed in favor of the wealthy. To an extent, this makes sense to me from a free market perspective... The less concentrated the wealth and power is, the more we can expect competition and innovation. So even though their reasoning may be flawed, its possible the result would make sense anyway.

Re: California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 days a year in the state

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post #92

This proposal is 0.4% tax on wealth above $30m. The Dutch equivalent is 1.6% tax on wealth above €1m. The number of Ultra High Net Worth Individuals in the Netherlands is still increasing.

There is a HUGE difference between the 2 if I understand them correctly CA is imposing a tax on the TOTAL wealth of a person over the limits and excluding real property. The Dutch impose a tax on the increased value of the wealth in the year, even if it was not "realized", which is more like our Capital Gains. So an example, if you had Stocks worth 100 million, and they increased in value to 108 million in 2020 Dutch…

So your money just made you 8 million USD and you had to pay 432k in taxes. Compare that to someone who makes 8 million USD cash through labour. They have to pay way more in taxes, around 1 million according to this calculator: https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator

Edit: just found out that in California capital gains are regarded as normal income. So you'd have to pay that 1 million already, but now you'd have to pay another additional 432k... so tax increase of 50%.

Re: California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 days a year in the state

#105

Personally I disagree with the whole idea of wealth taxes, you should be taxed when you do things, not taxed just because you own something worth money. I should be able to go live in the woods alone and not have the government take some percent of my net worth just because I exist. I mean I don't have a tonne of sympathy for people with tens of millions of net worth, but it just seems wrong in principle. If I start…

I don't think they should be routine, but given the highly unbalanced taxing environment of the past few decades which allowed for such massive wealth to accumulate (and rapidly grow during the pandemic) I see them as a reasonable corrective.

It also doesn't have to be ham-fisted. The concerns you bring up are legitimate and legislation is able to account for them.

Re: California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 days a year in the state

#106

Personally I disagree with the whole idea of wealth taxes, you should be taxed when you do things, not taxed just because you own something worth money. I should be able to go live in the woods alone and not have the government take some percent of my net worth just because I exist. I mean I don't have a tonne of sympathy for people with tens of millions of net worth, but it just seems wrong in principle. If I start…

> If I start a company and it gets valued at 30 million dollars, why should the government be allowed to force me to sell my company to pay their wealth tax?

How is the government forcing you to sell your company? They're forcing you to pay 0.4% of the money you own over those 30M dollars in tax, but that's it. Do you truly believe that there are people who make less than 0.4% per year profit on their >30M assets?

Re: California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 days a year in the state

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where did they think the money would come from? There’s a growing misconception that everything can be paid for by simply taxing the wealthy a tiny bit more. Several prominent activist politicians have built their platforms on the idea that billionaires are an infinite source of consequence-free tax revenue. These ideas are especially popular among the college students and new college grads I mentor. It usually fal…

The most important point of taxing the top ~1% is to simply bring their wealth more in line with their contributions, and to reduce their outsized power on the political system. Jeff Bezos isn't "worth" a million times more than his warehouse workers, and he shouldn't have that kind of money either as a matter of principle, or as a matter of democratic power. It's not a matter of punishment, but a matter of ensuring…

He as a human is worth exactly the same as the workers, of course. But that changes nothing about his right to the wealth he created. The others could create their own wealth, Bezos wasn't in a privileged position when he started.

If his money gives him political power, the solution is to fix the political system, not steal his money.

Re: California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 days a year in the state

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a rough approximation, if you’re a US citizen, then You must file a US income tax return. The US taxes your worldwide income regardless of where it’s earned. BUT under most circumstances you would get a credit against what you owe the US for what you pay the country in which you earned the money and also wanted to tax you (no double taxation in theory) It’s kind of a pain for someone living in say Kenya which does…

How do I benefit from a country while not being in it?

The US Marines have been known to evacuate US citizens from foreign countries if war breaks out. Think of your taxes as an insurance premium for global personal safety.

Re: California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 days a year in the state

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post #68

Well I guess I'll take the apparently bold stance here that this isn't the end of Silicon Valley or California and yes this is fair and further, good. When people are getting 5-6% returns on investments (minimum), 0.4% is still not even stopping the rich get richer effect. Not to mention that it's almost certain no one here will ever be touched by this tax. If you're going to move where you live or significantly alte…

The reason people resist such a tax is because there is no transparency into where the money is going. If there was traceability into putting that money towards positive social programs, for example, there might be less opposition.

I couldn't find what the tax was supposed to go towards but I also didn't make it beyond the paywall.

Re: California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 days a year in the state

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post #67

I'm not sure what the problem is. When Democrat supporters demand more more more via the politicians who promise more more more, where did they think the money would come from? Believe it or not, the bottom ~50% don't have enough money to tax. The next 30-40% have some but not enough to raise enough money to help. The taxes have to be focused on the top 10% and more likely the top 1-3% to raise enough to meet these d…

I always find it ironic when Silicon Valley Software devs talk about how the "evil rich" should "pay more" in taxes to support the poor, never having the understanding that they likely are the "evil rich" the tax man will be coming for.... if you are a Software Dev for a FANG or FANG like company guess what you are in the top 10%.....

I make roughly half a million a year. I'm very aware that my tax rate would increase if we started taxing the wealthy more.

Please tax the wealthy more. Send the tax man to my house and all my peers. We can afford it just fine.

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